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Workstation WG meeting recap 2019-Sep-30
by Michael Catanzaro 30 Sep '19

30 Sep '19

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-30/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-30/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-30/workstation.2… ================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by mcatanzaro at 13:00:27 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-30/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (mcatanzaro, 13:00:34) * Attendance (mcatanzaro, 13:09:20) * ACTION: aday to create a ticket to continue this discussion (mcatanzaro, 13:30:24) * Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs (mcatanzaro, 13:31:43) * LINK: https://paste.gnome.org/potu4skdo (mcatanzaro, 13:33:42) * ACTION: cschalle to comment in ticket and look into question about license terms (mcatanzaro, 13:34:16) * Workstation repos are not available for Branched and Rawhide (mcatanzaro, 13:34:30) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/102 (petersen, 13:36:16) * ACTION: cschalle to ping repo maintainers (mcatanzaro, 13:41:22) * Workstation x86_64 live image is over size target (mcatanzaro, 13:42:17) * Ship fedora-workstation-repositories on install media (mcatanzaro, 13:51:22) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/106 < mailing list discussion (etc) (aday, 13:51:38) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/105 (petersen, 13:54:38) * Open floor (mcatanzaro, 13:59:55) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/76#comment-598430 (cmurf, 13:59:59) Meeting ended at 14:03:40 UTC. Action Items ------------ * aday to create a ticket to continue this discussion * cschalle to comment in ticket and look into question about license terms * cschalle to ping repo maintainers Action Items, by person ----------------------- * aday * aday to create a ticket to continue this discussion * cschalle * cschalle to comment in ticket and look into question about license terms * cschalle to ping repo maintainers * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * mcatanzaro (79) * petersen (54) * aday (22) * cmurf (21) * zodbot (17) * otaylor (13) * langdon (8) * cschalle (6) * sgallagh (4) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 29 Sep '19

29 Sep '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-09-30 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Sep 30 - Michael Catanzaro * Oct 14 - Matthias Clasen * Oct 28 - Allan Day * Nov 11 - Neal Gompa * Nov 25 - Kalev Lember * Dec 9 - Chris Murphy * Jan 13 - Jens Petersen * Jan 27 - Christian Schaller * Feb 10 - Owen Taylor * Feb 24 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9550/

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Questions about encrypting user homes by default
by Chris Murphy 25 Sep '19

25 Sep '19

My working assumption is that g-i-s and Users panel need to grow the ability to present appropriate interface for per user encryption; maybe that could be as simple as an "encrypt" checkbox at user creation time, ticked by default. 1. How to handle Anaconda vs GNOME encryption features? a. It's not apparent that the two offerings differ, how they differ, that they can be combined, that combining them has consequences. b. In the Installation Destination spoke, "Encrypt my data" is visible and unchecked by default. It could be construed as user home only encryption. It is, however, full disk encryption (minus /boot). c. If user chooses this option in the installer, now what? Do not enable or even present the GNOME encryption features? Or double encrypt? d. Alternatively, does it get renamed to better indicate it's full disk encryption? Or remove it entirely? 2. Consequences of an fscrypt/ext4 only solution a. Users choosing anything other than ext4 not only don't get user home encrypted by default, they can't opt into what we're initially proposing. b. In some sense it diminishes the message that privacy of user data is important, because it comes with a "only if you pick ext4" catch. c. How would the user be informed of a & b (goes back to #1). 3. Upsides of fscrypt/ext4 only solution a. Faster delivery than systemd-homed? (Is this certain?) 4. What about /home only encryption? a. Wrap a single LUKS passphrase stored for each user login? Any valid user reveals that passphrase, and is automatically used to unlock /home; g-i-s could one-time acquire the LUKS passphrase used during installation from the (first/admin) user b. Use each user's login passphrase as a LUKS passphrase, stored in a LUKS keyslot? (Might aid chance of recovery in case all login files are lost.) c. Requires Anaconda changes. Retask "encrypt my data" to mean /home encryption? How to indicate full disk encryption? Present both options? 5. What about always using a /dev/urandom derived key at boot time for swap? -- Chris Murphy

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encrypting user homes by default, meeting summary
by Chris Murphy 23 Sep '19

23 Sep '19

The subgroup met on 13.Sep. Agenda and notes https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/Encryption_and_partitioning_meeting_01# Top takeaways: -user data is sacrosanct: user privacy should be protected but also their data must be recoverable -fscript/ext4 leading candidate -integration, resources, time frame are the biggest open questions -initramfs limits a11y, complicates i18n, basic UI simply isn't available -incremental approach preferred We also discussed systemd-homed, which has since been announced and a presentation available: slides and presentation https://streaming.media.ccc.de/asg2019/relive/164 slides only https://cfp.all-systems-go.io/media/homed-asg2019.pdf -- Chris Murphy

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GNOME 3.34 test day today
by Kalev Lember 18 Sep '19

18 Sep '19

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2019-09-18_Gnome_3.34_Test_Day IRC: #fedora-test-day on freenode -- Kalev

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2019-Sep-16
by Langdon White 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-16/workstation.2… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-16/workstation.2… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-16/workstation.2… ============================== #fedora-meeting-2: workstation ============================== Meeting started by langdon at 13:03:34 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-09-16/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * rollcall (langdon, 13:03:53) * agenda (langdon, 13:07:55) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting&close_… (cmurf, 13:08:45) * using https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting&close_… for today's agenda.. starting from oldest first then open floor (langdon, 13:09:41) * "Replace Rhythmbox with GNOME Music in default install" https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/33 (langdon, 13:10:13) * defering #33 until next meeting when aday will (hopefully) be here (langdon, 13:13:33) * "Automatically install the OpenH264 codecs" https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 (langdon, 13:13:59) * proposal to perform 2 changes to enable the codec (langdon, 13:32:03) * change 1: Workstation WG requests releng to change fedora-cisco-openh264 from enabled=0 to enabled=1 (langdon, 13:32:13) * change 2: Install fedora-workstation-repositories by default in Workstation (langdon, 13:32:26) * AGREED: Workstation WG requests releng to change fedora-cisco-openh264 from enabled=0 to enabled=1 [+7] (langdon, 13:49:17) * "Ship fedora-workstation-repositories on install media" https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/105 (langdon, 13:49:48) * Workstation live image is over size target (mcatanzaro, 14:01:35) * Workstation x86_64 live image is over size target : https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/104 (langdon, 14:01:35) * Workstation x86_64 live image is over size target : https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/104 (langdon, 14:01:48) * mcatanzaro proposed new schedule at https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/workstation/ (mcatanzaro, 14:09:31) Meeting ended at 14:11:09 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * langdon (99) * kalev (73) * cmurf (66) * mcatanzaro (66) * Son_Goku (58) * petersen (42) * mclasen (17) * zodbot (13) * aday (11) * sgallagh (4) * otaylor (4) * otaylor_ (3) * cschalle_ (1) * cschaller (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Proposing a Test Day for F31 Cycle
by Sumantro Mukherjee 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

Hey All, As beta is about to be out,I was wondering when can we have the Gnome Test Day for this cycle? The Fedora QA Test Day tracker is https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/588 Thanks -- //sumantro Fedora QE TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED <https://redhat.com/trusted>

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Re: Proposing a Test Day for F31 Cycle
by Sumantro Mukherjee 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 6:51 PM Kalev Lember <klember(a)redhat.com> wrote: > How about right after the Beta release so that we have a few days between > to give time for the 3.34.0 megaupdate update to go to stable and get a new > branched compose? (Beta is shipping with 3.33.92, and we have 3.34.0 almost > ready to go to bodhi). Maybe wait with the test day scheduling a bit until > we know if the Beta is releasing on schedule or if it is going to be > slipped? > > Kalev > The Beta is about to be out, can we fix on a day? :) The week of 23rd works, if you all are okay with it. //sumantro Fedora QE TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED <https://redhat.com/trusted>

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[Test Day] Fedora 31 Gnome 3.34 2019-09-18
by Sumantro Mukherjee 16 Sep '19

16 Sep '19

Hola! Wednesday, 2019-09-18 will be Fedora 31 Gnome 3.34 Test Day! As part of this planned Change for Fedora 31, So this is an important Test Day! Beta is on its way, we try to make sure that all the gnome features are performing as they should and then file bugs well ahead of time. We need to ensure it's working well enough and catch any remaining issues. It's also pretty easy to join in: all you'll need is Test Day image (which you can grab from the wiki page[0]). As always, the event will be in #fedora-test-day on Freenode IRC. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2019-09-18_Gnome_3.34_Test_Day -- //sumantro Fedora QE TRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED <https://redhat.com/trusted>

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 15 Sep '19

15 Sep '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-09-16 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 US/Eastern At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * May 20 - Michael Catanzaro * Jun 03 - Matthias Clasen * Jun 17 - Kalev Lember * Jul 01 - Ryan Lerch * Jul 15 - Chris Murphy * Jul 29 - Jens Petersen * Aug 05 - Christian Schaller * Aug 19 - Owen Taylor * Sep 2 - Cancelled * Sep 16 - Langdon White More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9550/

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