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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-12-21
by Chris Murphy 27 Dec '21

27 Dec '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-12-21) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 02:53:52 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-22/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Michael, Neal, Tomas, Chris, Kalev (brainycmurf, 02:54:03) * Present guests: Felipe (brainycmurf, 02:54:03) * Regrets: (brainycmurf, 02:54:03) * Missing: Langdon, Mattias, Owen, Jens (brainycmurf, 02:54:03) * Secretary: Allan (brainycmurf, 02:54:03) * Add gnome-software and NetworkManager (or NetworkManager-wiifi) to protected packages for workstation? (brainycmurf, 02:54:04) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/260 (brainycmurf, 02:54:07) * ACTION: Michael to do this (brainycmurf, 02:54:25) * gnome-terminal -> gnome-console (brainycmurf, 02:54:27) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/261 (brainycmurf, 02:54:29) * Offline updates: install updates after the user shutdown the computer, instead of in the next boot (brainycmurf, 02:54:46) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/258 (brainycmurf, 02:54:49) * ACTION: Michael to file a ticket against gnome-software (brainycmurf, 02:55:03) * Update the Workstation PRD (brainycmurf, 02:55:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 (brainycmurf, 02:55:07) * PyCharm's official third-party repo doesn't have any appstream metadata, can't be found in gnome-software (brainycmurf, 02:55:13) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/254 (brainycmurf, 02:55:16) * Announcements, status updates (brainycmurf, 02:55:20) * Tomas has been working on the updated PRD - see https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 (brainycmurf, 02:55:22) * Allan has had some positive interaction with Canonical about the appindicator extension. (brainycmurf, 02:55:25) * The minutes from last week have been posted online. (brainycmurf, 02:55:27) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-15/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 02:55:29) Meeting ended at 02:56:00 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Michael to do this * Michael to file a ticket against gnome-software Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Michael to do this * Michael to file a ticket against gnome-software People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (43) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, 21 December (secretary: Matthias)
by Allan Day 20 Dec '21

20 Dec '21

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 21 December, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers This will likely be a relatively small working meeting, to go through some of our outstanding issues. See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic Add gnome-software and NetworkManager (or NetworkManager-wiifi) to protected packages for workstation? #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/260 #topic gnome-terminal -> gnome-console #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/261 #topic Offline updates: install updates after the user shutdown the computer, instead of in the next boot #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/258 #topic Update the Workstation PRD #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 #topic PyCharm's official third-party repo doesn't have any appstream metadata, can't be found in gnome-software #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/254

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 20 Dec '21

20 Dec '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-12-21 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-12-14
by Chris Murphy 15 Dec '21

15 Dec '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-12-14) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 16:05:09 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-15/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Owen, Allan, Matthias, Kalev, Chris, Tomas, Michael, Neal (brainycmurf, 16:05:22) * Present guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin) (brainycmurf, 16:05:22) * Regrets: (brainycmurf, 16:05:22) * Missing: Langdon (brainycmurf, 16:05:22) * Secretary: (brainycmurf, 16:05:22) * Outstanding actions (brainycmurf, 16:05:23) * 2m shutdown timer (brainycmurf, 16:05:25) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) (brainycmurf, 16:05:27) * New text editor (brainycmurf, 16:05:31) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/248 (brainycmurf, 16:05:33) * NVIDIA driver and secure boot (brainycmurf, 16:05:42) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155 (brainycmurf, 16:05:44) * ACTION: Chris and Neal and Michael to summarize the options and technical details in writing, rather than in the meeting. (brainycmurf, 16:05:48) * Face to face meetings report (brainycmurf, 16:05:53) * System-wide change proposal deadline is 28 December (brainycmurf, 16:06:20) * Christmas/New Year meeting dates (brainycmurf, 16:06:27) * ACTION: Michael to update the calendar. (brainycmurf, 16:06:34) * Workstation membership (brainycmurf, 16:06:36) * ACTION: Members to investigate candidates and come back with suggestions. (brainycmurf, 16:06:45) * Announcements & status updates (brainycmurf, 16:06:47) * Gnome Terminal -> Gnome-console (brainycmurf, 16:06:51) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/261 (brainycmurf, 16:06:53) * Minutes from last week have been posted (brainycmurf, 16:06:55) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-08/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 16:06:57) Meeting ended at 16:11:00 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris and Neal and Michael to summarize the options and technical details in writing, rather than in the meeting. * Michael to update the calendar. * Members to investigate candidates and come back with suggestions. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris and Neal and Michael to summarize the options and technical details in writing, rather than in the meeting. * Michael to update the calendar. * Members to investigate candidates and come back with suggestions. People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (48) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Blender Wayland available on COPR
by Luya Tshimbalanga 14 Dec '21

14 Dec '21

Hello everyone, Thanks to the work of one of Blender contributors [1], Blender runs on Wayland with upstream patches yet to land mainline [2]. The method was enabling "*WITH_GHOST_WAYLAND"*parameter along the patch setting "BLENDER_WAYLAND" environment when running a Wayland session. To see if the installed Blender[3], available on the COPR repository, runs directly on Wayland, from the terminal, simply type "WAYLAND_DEBUG=1 blender". The side effect resolves an issue related to rendering with Open Shading Language. The long term goal is to make Blender with Wayland support available on the main repository starting from Rawhide and possibly the current release i.e., Fedora 35. Blender Wayland is available for both Rawhide, Fedora 35 and Fedora 34 for testing.[3] References --------------- [1] https://developer.blender.org/T90676 [2] https://developer.blender.org/D11489 [3] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/luya/blender-egl/build/3032066/ -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Design Team Fedora Design Suite maintainer

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Workstation WG meeting, 14 December (secretary: Kalev)
by Allan Day 13 Dec '21

13 Dec '21

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 14 December, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Thanks, Allan -- Agenda #topic Outstanding actions 2m shutdown timer - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) New text editor - #248 . Did this get unstuck? #topic NVIDIA driver and secure boot #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155 Recap after our meeting with Peter and Justin two weeks ago. #topic Face to face meetings report Another chance to discuss what happened during last week's face to face meetings in Boston. #topic Systemwide change proposal deadline is 28 December Any changes that we need to make proposals for? #topic Workstation membership What do we want to do with Langdon's spot? #topic Christmas/New Year meeting dates Proposal: last 2021 meeting on 21st December. No meeting on 28th December and 4th January. First 2022 meeting on 11 Jan. #topic Announcements & status updates Anything the group needs to be aware of?

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 13 Dec '21

13 Dec '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-12-14 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-12-07
by Chris Murphy 08 Dec '21

08 Dec '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-12-07) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 18:05:12 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-12-08/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Tomas, Owen, Michael, Kalev, Jens, Neal, Chris (tardy), Mattias (late) (brainycmurf, 18:05:23) * Present guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin) (brainycmurf, 18:05:23) * Regrets: (brainycmurf, 18:05:23) * Missing: Langdon (brainycmurf, 18:05:23) * Secretary: Allan (brainycmurf, 18:05:23) * Fedora Workstation Planning (brainycmurf, 18:05:25) * Last week's minutes have been posted (brainycmurf, 18:06:04) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-12-01-… (brainycmurf, 18:06:06) Meeting ended at 18:09:08 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (26) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 06 Dec '21

06 Dec '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-12-07 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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