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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-03-30
by Chris Murphy 31 Mar '21

31 Mar '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-03-30) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 05:07:15 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-31/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 05:07:35) * present: Allan, Chris, Tomas, Michael, Jens, Neal, Kalev, Matthias (cmurf, 05:07:36) * regrets: Owen, Langdon, (cmurf, 05:07:38) * present guests: (cmurf, 05:07:40) * Approval of Mar 23 minutes (cmurf, 05:07:42) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-24/workstation.2… (cmurf, 05:07:44) * AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 05:07:46) * Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 05:07:48) * Consider limiting the journal in size (cmurf, 05:07:56) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 (cmurf, 05:07:58) * devel list thread (cmurf, 05:08:00) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… (cmurf, 05:08:02) * ACTION: : Chris will revive the devel discussion(s), revisit later (cmurf, 05:08:18) * Include Fedora Media Writer in the default install (cmurf, 05:08:20) * ACTION: wait for improvements in F35, further discussion next week (cmurf, 05:08:42) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/214 (cmurf, 05:09:19) Meeting ended at 05:09:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : Chris will revive the devel discussion(s), revisit later * wait for improvements in F35, further discussion next week Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * : Chris will revive the devel discussion(s), revisit later * wait for improvements in F35, further discussion next week People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (40) * zodbot (7) * mcatanzaro (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2021-03-30 Meeting Agenda (secretary: Owen)
by Michael Catanzaro 30 Mar '21

30 Mar '21

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2021-03-30 9:30 AM EDT 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of Mar 23 minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-24/workstation.2… Announcements, follow-ups, status reports Consider limiting journal size https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/213 Fedora media writer shipped on fedora workstation by default https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/214 The Workstation Working Group is a bottleneck https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/218 Open Floor

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 29 Mar '21

29 Mar '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-03-30 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9884/

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Fedora Flatpak repository - now with delta updates
by Owen Taylor 29 Mar '21

29 Mar '21

Just a quick note that we now have a new indexing service[1] running for registry.fedoraproject.org. In general, this should be pretty much invisible, but there's one big new feature:it now creates binary deltas for updates, and references those in the index. This often results in updates that are 5-20x smaller for download size. [2] If you see any problems, please file a ticket on https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/, and mention @otaylor so that I see it. Thanks to Kevin Fenzi for his help in getting this running! Regards, Owen [1] https://github.com/owtaylor/flatpak-indexer replaces a the older 'regindexer' [2] https://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2020/05/13/putting-container-updates-on-a-die…

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f33 f34 rpm changes
by Chris Murphy 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

Same info I put in IRC, but it won't expire in 23 hours... RPMs in f33, removed in f34 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1maVoS03q6jmCiB0xiA-TUuUZLVm67_1f/view?usp=… RPMs added to f34 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p_uVTsJjmFsm1z_VAG9bFaiefYBEfvx0/view?usp=… size of packages added to f34, sorted by size https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jfZeyT2pY7TlcR-OBJbZJKoWpJ8MZKAc/view?usp=… diff -up f33 f34 (long but shows context of +/-) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YEdGZMc_97zg_HPMQfq8cbqC5j9Uha0I/view?usp=… size in bytes 2049490944 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-33-1.2.iso 2001469440 Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-34_Beta-1.3.iso -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-03-23
by Chris Murphy 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-03-23) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 02:15:11 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-24/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 02:15:28) * present: Allan, Chris, Tomas, Michael, Jens, Neal, Kalev, Owen, Langdon, Matthias (cmurf, 02:15:30) * regrets: (cmurf, 02:15:32) * present guests: (cmurf, 02:15:34) * Approval of Mar 16 minutes (cmurf, 02:15:36) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2021-03-17-… (cmurf, 02:15:38) * AGREED: no objections (cmurf, 02:15:40) * Announcements, follow-ups, status reports (cmurf, 02:15:42) * Linux App Summit (May 13) and GUADEC (July 21) CFP is opened! (cmurf, 02:15:45) * Fedora 34 Beta is going out today (cmurf, 02:15:46) * GNOME 40.0 is in updates-testing, testing and karma welcomed (cmurf, 02:15:49) * LINK: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2021-b86f087d94 (cmurf, 02:15:51) * GNOME 40 is scheduled to be released upstream tomorrow (cmurf, 02:15:52) * Test Days last week - a success, some issues are not yet fixed (Welcome Tour) (cmurf, 02:15:55) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-17_Fedora_34_GNOME_40 (cmurf, 02:15:56) * LINK: https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/106 (cmurf, 02:15:58) * The Workstation Working Group is a bottleneck (cmurf, 02:16:02) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/218 (cmurf, 02:16:05) * ACTION: kalev prepare the Fractal task (together with Neal) (cmurf, 02:16:44) * We will come up with a list of next actions in the ticket. (cmurf, 02:16:52) * OpenFloor (cmurf, 02:16:54) Meeting ended at 02:17:05 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev prepare the Fractal task (together with Neal) Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * kalev prepare the Fractal task (together with Neal) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (48) * zodbot (7) * mcatanzaro (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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2021-03-23 Meeting Agenda (secretary: Tomas)
by Michael Catanzaro 23 Mar '21

23 Mar '21

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2021-03-23 9:30 AM EST 14:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Approval of Mar 16 minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-03-17/workstation.2… Announcements, follow-ups, status reports The Workstation Working Group is a bottleneck https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/218 Open Floor

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 22 Mar '21

22 Mar '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-03-23 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9884/

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Re: We are not a laptop. Why are we a laptop? Can we not be a laptop?
by Hans de Goede 19 Mar '21

19 Mar '21

Hi, On 3/18/21 7:54 AM, Beautex wrote: > Long story short: We have one of those little $100 Chinese mini PCs running 18.04 LTS. ("Wintel Pro" / "Wintel Box") It thinks it has a battery, possibly because it thinks it is a laptop. The "battery" level notifications - that I have tried a million ways to kill - are driving me nuts because I'm trying to use this machine to run a looping slideshow while the workplace is open. > > Long story short: We have one of those little $100 Chinese mini PCs running 18.04 LTS. ("Wintel Pro" / "Wintel Box") It thinks it has a battery, possibly because it thinks it is a laptop. The "battery" level notifications - that I have tried a million ways to kill - are driving me nuts because I'm trying to use this machine to run a looping slideshow while the workplace is open. > > Thought I might have had this fixed but HAHAHA NOPE > > Related question: Why does Ubuntu power management set a battery as the default power supply on a desktop machine? > > This is where someone asked "What is the output of laptop-detect -v?" > > It is: We're a laptop (non device ACPI batteries found) > > But we are emphatically not a laptop, and we don't want to be a laptop. How can we not be a laptop? > https://www.miscof.com/best-laptops-for-medical-schools-in-2020-top-reviews/ > > CPU is Intel Atom x5-Z8350. Do let me know if additional information is required. The fault may have nothing to do with Ubuntu but I live in hope Ubuntu might have the tools to fix it. Notice that you send this email to a Fedora mailinglist and Fedora is a different Linux distribution. With that said, this is a known issue with some of these Intel Atom x5-Z83xx based boxes, they use an AXP288 PMIC and often the BIOS does not turn off the fuel-gauge (battery monitoring) part of this chip. The driver for the AXP288 fuel-gauge contains a list of devices like this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/dri… So the fix will be to add your device to this list. Please as a regular user in a terninal run: grep . /sys/class/dmi/id/* 2> /dev/null On the device and then copy and paste the output into your next email / reply. That will give me the info which I need to add your device to the no-fuel-gauge list. Regards, Hans

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