desktop March 2005

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Gnome slowing down again...
by Kaspars 29 Mar '05

29 Mar '05

Hi, I recently start to have problem with fresh installed FC3 with updates. CPU get load and my fan is getting noisy on laptop... top shows: load average: 5.42, 4.99, 3.27 R 24.6 2.4 3:32.55 gnome-settings- R 24.0 5.2 3:43.49 gnome-panel R 23.6 5.5 3:30.77 nautilus R 23.3 1.4 3:27.30 gnome-vfs-daemo S 3.0 4.8 0:00.44 gnome-terminal S 2.0 8.0 0:39.84 X I close all what is opened, but still load is big and then only reboot helps... I`m not hacker, but how I understand it is Gnome problem, anybody have experienced the some? Casper

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Changing default WM for GNOME2
by Gain Paolo Mureddu 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

Although I like Metacity, it is not as low-weight as others, like xfwm4. I'd like to change the default window manager for GNOME in FC3, but whenever I do gconf --> desktop --> gnome --> applications --> window_manager --> default and change there /usr/bin/xfwm4, upon session restart metacity kicks in and I can't stop it from running, cause it immediately loads up again! How can I change this behavior? Is it even remotely possible to do this, or FC3's GNOME WM is hardcoded into some GNOME parts?

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Strange messages in syslog
by Gain Paolo Mureddu 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Hi all... Maybe I'm being too paranoid, but I just wanted to know what may be going on if I have a lot of messages in /var/log/messages about root sessions being opened and closed very quickly, for instance: Mar 23 16:55:01 Blackhawk crond(pam_unix)[6028]: session opened for user root by (uid=0) Mar 23 16:55:01 Blackhawk crond(pam_unix)[6028]: session closed for user root As you can see the session lasts less than a second. What does this mean? Are these processes that require root access that open the session and as soon as these services are done, close it?? Thanks! PS: I know this may not be the best place to post this, if so, what would be the best place to post this?

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Desktop integration
by Peter Backlund 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello. I'd like to give my point of view of the current state of Bluecurve and desktop integration in Fedora, focusing on the artwork. -- The icon set -- The BC icon set is of course comprehensive and generally of very high quality, but there are areas where it is lacking: very small icons, 16x16 or 20x20, are often badly hinted. It looks like the 48x48 version has been scaled down, and a very sharp black edge has been added along the perimeter. Sometimes hinting is missing entirely, leaving a very blurry icon. Also, too much detail is crammed into the small icons. Compare these two screenshots of the Gnome file selector: http://petrix.se/fedora/fileselector_bluecurve.png http://petrix.se/fedora/fileselector_gnome.png The Gnome icons on the left are not only scaled-down versions of the larger ones, but completely redesigned. The Bluecurve Home and Desktop icons are good examples of down-scaled, black-outlined icons with too much detail, and the filesystem icons are missing hinting. I think focus should shift from providing half-done icons for every single menu entry (Sound Juicer, XChat, etc) to improving the icons that make sense for cross-DE (desktop environment) integration, such as basic operations (open, close, home), navigation, RH/Fedora specific applications (system-config-*) and maybe a few main applications (web browser, email program). Build on top of the existing Gnome and KDE/Crystal icon sets, adding a unique "feel", instead of replacing 100%. Ximian Desktop only changed the folder icons and a handful of others, but along with the Gtk theme it made a huge difference. The KDE Crystal icons go very well with the BC icons, and KDE would benefit enormously from better 16x16 icons. -- KDE/Qt -- KDE and Qt are obviously not the main focus of the Fedora desktop team, but the Bluecurve Qt theme was a pioneering effort. However, the version shipped with FC3 has a long list of rendering differences from the Gtk theme. I have personally done some hacking on the Qt theme, trying to bring it closer to the Gtk one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=141125 None of it has yet shown up in Rawhide, despite being well received. A lot of 3:rd party commercial/scientific applications are written in Qt, and having a near-perfect Qt theme will add to the professional feel of a Red Hat/Fedora desktop. Maybe Qt could be modified to use the Gtk file selector, when an environment variable is set? -- OpenOffice.org/NWF -- The state of of NWF in OOo in 1.1.x, and also in 2.0, is promising at best. If it were up to me, I wouldn't ship it for a few more months. The widget coverage has increased in 2.0, but the quality of individual widgets is still very low. http://petrix.se/fedora/OOo.png Sizes, alignment, shapes, highlighting etc etc. Since the Open Office suite is such a prominent application, I believe more manpower should be thrown at the problem. I know this comes off very negative, and I do not mean to diminish the efforts of the NWF hackers (Dan W for example). It will look tremendous once it's done. It's just that 100% of the widgets are 50% finished, and it would look a lot better if 50% of the widgets were 100% done, and the rest were #ifdef-ed out until they are done. A guide to hacking NWF would be great to attract outsiders, and a list of tricks to build the beast for limited (NWF-only) testing. Stuff that can be ./configure-ed out, ccache etc. -- Firefox/Thunderbird (XUL) -- FF/TB look fairly good already, but have a number of annoying rendering bugs. Submenu arrows, icons alignment on buttons and so on. Better icon coverage in the menus would also be nice -look at the Industrial theme, it has icons for nearly every menu entry: http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2004/09/20/industrial-for-firefox/ -- Conclusion -- So let me sum up: * Fewer, but better Bluecurve icons. Focus on the small ones. * Fix the Qt theme. Patch and bug list in Bugzilla. Not complete, but a good start. * More manpower to OOo/NWF, it's farther behind but very important. * Better icon coverage in menus/preference dialog in FF/TB. /Peter Backlund

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Make consolehelper more liske sudo?
by Eric Warnke 21 Mar '05

21 Mar '05

Hello all, I have unsucessfully been attempting to find out through both documentation, testing, and internet sources if I can get consolehelper to act more like sudo rather than su. Right now my problem is that there is NO WAY to roll this out to more users as a desktop alternative without giving them some power user ability ( printers, date and time, removable storage managment, ... ). Right now in order to give them access to these applications AFAICT I must either give the users the root password ( not gonna happen ) or create a pam.d file so that there is no password prompt ( pam_wheel with trust option ). Neither of these is a truly acceptable option at this point. Any change should try to keep the system as close to baseline as possible, I would prefer not to rip out the consolehelper system, but I will if I have to. The featureset I want is identical to sudo, but I will make accomidations as long as I can allow users to run a specific command after prompting for the users password. If anyone can point me in the right direction or just tell me that it's impossible with the current system that would be a great help. Cheers, Eric Warnke Systems Administer, Research ITS SUNY at Albany

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Fedora Project Mailing Lists reminder
by Elliot Lee 16 Mar '05

16 Mar '05

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Fedora Core 4 ETA
by David Christopher Chiipman 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

Hi all, Any idea on when FC4 will be available for download? The mention of OOo 2 being provided in it (among the other additions that were related OOo 2) make it sound great. What version of GNOME will be included. (URL can be considered a suitable answer to these questions...) Thanks! -David Chipman -- David C. Chipman <dchipman(a)ican.net>

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Do yum and up2date play nice?
by Beartooth 15 Mar '05

15 Mar '05

Being a belt-&-suspenders kind of guy, especially about security, I've been running both yum nightly updates and up2date (on three FC1 PCs and an FC2 PC). Someone recommended synaptic, and I installed that. Now when I invoke it, it gives me an error message about duplicate packages ; and when I look, sure enough, there are two -- with slightly different indicia. Will keeping both really make trouble? It looks like synaptic will let me find them and choose -- but not tell me how to choose. (My impulse would just be to take the later a/o higher numbered.) When I invoke synaptic, I get this : ===== [btth@localhost btth]$ synaptic & [1] 10128 [btth@localhost btth]$ (synaptic:10132): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 2041 (gtk_widget_hide): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed ===== and once it opens, it shows me : ===== There are multiple versions of "gd-devel" in your system. This package won't be cleanly updated, unless you leave only one version. To leave multiple versions installed, you may remove that warning by setting the following option in your configuration file: RPM::Allow-Duplicated { "^gd-devel$"; }; To disable these warnings completely set: RPM::Allow-Duplicated-Warning "false"; ===== similarly for gstreamer-plugins, gnome-session, man, libpng, syatem-config-display, slang, GConf2-devel, libbonobo, krb5-libs, rsync, squid, gnome-applets, rpm-build, shadow-utils, nfs-utils, mod_ssl, libpcap, and mkisofs. -- Beartooth Implacable, Linux Evangelist & Gadfly neo-redneck, curmudgeonly codger with FC1&2, YDL4 Pine 4.62, Pan 0.14.2; Privoxy 3.0.1; Opera 7.54, Firefox 1.0 Bear in mind that I have little idea what I am talking about.

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RE: Do yum and up2date play nice? -- detail
by Powell, James F CONT 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

> On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:37:49 -0500, seth vidal > <skvidal(a)phy.duke.edu> wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 21:16 +0100, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote: > > > a quick sumup: > > > > > > synaptic is a nice GUI for apt. > > > > > > up2date is only usefull to show pending updates > > > > > > yum is only usefull after fc2 (IMO), unless you are dealing with > > > multilib. > > > > > > So for fc<3, use apt. For fc>3, use yum. If x86_64, use yum. > > > > > > That is the simple explanation. > > > > I disagree, of course, if you're looking for repositories > you're going > > to have more luck finding yum repositories for FC-2. > > > > -sv > > > > > > -- > > Fedora-desktop-list mailing list > > Fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list > > > > Another difference: in synaptic you can browse for packages. AFAIK you > can't do that with yum. But with 3rd party apps, like yumi, you can browse, etc with yum. It's not as advanced a GUI as some, but it is functional and works nicely. Jim Powell Senior Scientist/Engineer L3 Communications GSI AV-8B Harrier Support

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OpenOffice.org extras - again
by Nicu Buculei 14 Mar '05

14 Mar '05

there was some recent talk about including additional templates in OpenOffice.org as distributed by Fedora: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg00478.html the discuss was expanded later to other extras, like clipart. it appears other distributors are doing exactly this: add a lot of extras to their version of OOo, for example Novell is planning to include images from the Open Clip Art Library: http://lists.freedesktop.org/pipermail/clipart/2005-March/002539.html someone has created a rpm which probably will go in Fedora Extras https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-March/msg00566.html but IMO, something better is needed: integration - either include the clip art images in an OOo gallery using the patch from Novell or modify the OOo menu, adding a new item Insert->Pictures->Clipart which will point to the location of the installed images. also i think is worth judging the usefulness of including a *selection* of clipart in Core (i know in FC5 will not matter much if a package is in Core or Extras, this is about the next release, FC4). my take is: including clipart in the default install can benefit the overall value of the desktop, but also the size constraints should be considered. -- nicu

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