desktop June 2016

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coredumpctl integration for F25
by Michael Catanzaro 14 Oct '16

14 Oct '16

Hi, Currently we have coredumpctl installed by default, but it doesn't work because core dumps are consumed by ABRT instead. I'd like to get coredumpctl working out-of-the-box. We can do this by changing our systemd presets [1] to disable abrt-ccpp.service. ABRT will continue to function thanks to the ABRT developers' work on coredumpctl integration via abrt-vmcore.service. There is a somewhat- reduced feature set, but I've been running this for several months happily and I haven't noticed any issues; my crashes are being reported to FAF, and I can manually report to Bugzilla. See [2] for details. This might be slightly controversial for two reasons. First, the big change here is that core dumps will appear in the magical and super- awesome coredumpctl tool in addition to ABRT, but would no longer be created in the cwd when ulimit is set appropriately (we would need to feature that in the release notes). This aligns us with upstream systemd behavior, but diverges from Debian and Ubuntu, which still create the old-style coredumps in the cwd. Second, my understanding is that the ABRT developers prefer to improve abrt-cli and tell people to use that rather than coredumpctl. But as coredumpctl is very mature (nicer) and cross-distro so it gets many more contributors, I definitely prefer to instruct people to use coredumpctl instead for C/C++ crashes. We could totally do this change for F24 as well as it should be just a one-line change, but in the spirit of beta freeze I figure it's probably best left for F25. Michael [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-release/blob/master/f/90-default.preset [2] https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/1108

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Another round of default app discussion
by Michael Catanzaro 25 Sep '16

25 Sep '16

Hi, Recently the Workstation working group agreed to match the GNOME apps we install by default in Fedora with upstream GNOME's core apps. We will by default sync our default apps to upstream's, and make exceptions only for exceptional reasons if when proposed on this list. This adds a bit more cement to our status as the best GNOME distribution with minimal divergence from upstream. I worked upstream with designers and release team to move many desirable apps into core, to better match what we're currently shipping in Fedora. I also created a gnome-incubator metamodule upstream, which is where we'll put apps that we want to be core apps by design, but which we recognize are not yet ready to be installed by default in distributions. Currently that is home to bijiben, gnome-boxes, gnome- calendar, gnome-dictionary, gnome-music, and gnome-photos. Here is how we currently diverge from the new upstream recommendations: Apps missing from Fedora: epiphany, gnome-logs Extra apps in Fedora: bijiben, evolution, gnome-boxes, shotwell, rhythmbox I see little value in discussing Epiphany again right now. Let's make an exception for that. I have added Logs in Fedora just now, as I expect that will be uncontroversial and I don't see any value in diverging from upstream here. Bijiben is just not very good yet, and it's not under active development. There's no good reason for us to diverge from upstream here, and I expect it will be uncontroversial, so I've dropped it. I guess Evolution might be controversial; I use it religiously, and many of you probably do too. But the user interface is complex and confusing; users should not be exposed to this by default, barring drastic UI changes that are outside the scope of the Evolution project. Evolution is a great mail client for power users, but I'm confident that the average user will be better off with webmail services; folks who want a desktop client can simply install one, after all. We intend to replace it with GNOME Mail eventually, but nobody has started developing it yet. I propose we drop Evolution, but I have not done so yet, pending further discussion. Boxes has too many serious bugs right now, so it cannot go into gnome- core yet, but we intend it to eventually. Since this is a significant application, I have not yet removed it from our default install, pending further discussion. My main concern is that it would look odd for us to remove such a significant app from the default install, then bring it back in a year or two. On the other hand, users won't notice a thing unless they make a habit of reinstalling Fedora, and it's not good to include apps we can't fully recommend. It's not clear to me what choice is best here. I propose we make temporary exceptions to keep Shotwell and Rhythmbox, until their intended replacements, Photos and Music, move into upstream's GNOME core moduleset. That will very likely happen for Photos for F25. I'm less certain about Music. Michael

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two bugs found in fedora 24
by kendell clark 26 Jun '16

26 Jun '16

hi all I've just now gotten around to testing fedora 25. It's a fantastic release, great work everyone! There are two bugs, minor ones both of them, that I thought I'd mention though. The shortcut to enable the screen reader and gnome's accessibility, alt+super+s, doesn't seem to work on the gdm welcome screen or in gnome shell itself. Of course pressing alt+f2 and typing 'orca' works just fine. The second bug is that the keystrokes to raise and lower the volume, bound to xf86-volume up and xf86-volume down respectively, don't seem to work, even though I've checked and they are bound properly. I'm not certain if these are fedora or gnome shell bugs, but just thought I'd report them. Either way they're not showstoppers by any means. I wish I'd tested the alpha or beta releases, I'd have caught them much earlier and I'd have reported them. Thanks Kendell Clark

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2016-Jun-22
by Paul W. Frields 22 Jun '16

22 Jun '16

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-06-22/workstation.201… Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-06-22/workstation.201… Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-06-22/workstation.201… * * * =============================== #fedora-meeting: Workstation WG =============================== Meeting started by stickster at 14:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-06-22/workstation.201… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (stickster, 14:00:03) * Quick congrats (stickster, 14:02:54) * LINK: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/here-comes-flatpak-a-… (mcatanzaro, 14:05:35) * coredumpctl integration (stickster, 14:07:45) * Proposal is to change Workstation (only) systemd vendor preset on abrt-ccpp.service to disabled, which causes core files to be handled by coredumpctl; however abrt-cli continues to work with a reduced feature set (stickster, 14:14:55) * there are some pending coredumpctl related bugs (stickster, 14:15:25) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1341829 (stickster, 14:15:31) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1317927 (stickster, 14:15:35) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (mcatanzaro, 14:18:39) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (mcatanzaro, 14:18:53) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject.o… (mcatanzaro, 14:27:42) * LINK: https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/1108 (mcatanzaro, 14:28:04) * LINK: https://github.com/abrt/abrt/wiki/CCpp-plugin (mcatanzaro, 14:28:20) * ACTION: mcatanzaro bring proposal to Server + Cloud WGs to find out whether global change is acceptable to all (stickster, 14:30:55) * Fedora 25 Workstation (stickster, 14:34:29) * --- What's next for Flatpak? --- (stickster, 14:35:07) * Koji building of Flatpaks is under active discussion (stickster, 14:41:30) * working toward better gnome-software management of flatpaks for F25 (stickster, 14:41:52) * ACTION: mclasen Will do an update blog post on Flatpak progress toward F25 (stickster, 14:44:42) * ACTION: stickster ryanlerch Work with mclasen to get an appropriate coverage in Fedora Magazine (stickster, 14:44:57) * More flatpak devel discussion needed on list and elsewhere (stickster, 15:02:14) * ACTION: stickster Roll remaining F25 items into next meeting agenda (stickster, 15:02:28) Meeting ended at 15:05:27 UTC. Action Items ------------ * mcatanzaro bring proposal to Server + Cloud WGs to find out whether global change is acceptable to all * mclasen Will do an update blog post on Flatpak progress toward F25 * stickster ryanlerch Work with mclasen to get an appropriate coverage in Fedora Magazine * stickster Roll remaining F25 items into next meeting agenda Action Items, by person ----------------------- * mcatanzaro * mcatanzaro bring proposal to Server + Cloud WGs to find out whether global change is acceptable to all * mclasen * mclasen Will do an update blog post on Flatpak progress toward F25 * stickster ryanlerch Work with mclasen to get an appropriate coverage in Fedora Magazine * ryanlerch * stickster ryanlerch Work with mclasen to get an appropriate coverage in Fedora Magazine * stickster * stickster ryanlerch Work with mclasen to get an appropriate coverage in Fedora Magazine * stickster Roll remaining F25 items into next meeting agenda * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * stickster (73) * mcatanzaro (40) * mclasen (22) * otaylor (22) * kalev (18) * zodbot (14) * cschalle (11) * mattdm (4) * ryanlerch (3) * rdieter (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Agenda for Workstation WG meeting 2016-Jun-22
by Paul W. Frields 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Reminder that we meet on Wed 2016-Jun-22 at 1400 UTC (10:00am US-EDT). * coredumpctl * Topic suggested by mcatanzaro. Status and plan for F25? * Fedora 25 Workstation * What are our next steps for Flatpaks? * What are our next steps for an rpm-ostree based version? * Overall themes/plans for F25? Suggestions for the agenda are gratefully accepted. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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postal_fmt & country_post in glibc locales
by Florian Weimer 21 Jun '16

21 Jun '16

Does Fedora Workstation use this data? Thanks, Florian

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Fedora 24 is a GO: Press Release Needs Review
by Brian Proffitt 17 Jun '16

17 Jun '16

In order to support the upcoming release of Fedora 24, the Fedora Marketing team is preparing a press release announcement for next week[1]. While the tone of the article is about where we need it to be, we would like to solicit input from as many groups as possible for new features that you feel should have highlighted. Please visit the discussion area of the release page if you have any feedback and we will try to include as much as we can. Thanks, Brian [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F24_general_release_announcement Brian Proffitt 574-383-9BKP Twitter: TheTechScribe Skype: LinuxScribe www.proffitt.org

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Magazine "What's new in Workstation" article
by Paul W. Frields 16 Jun '16

16 Jun '16

https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=12694&preview=1&_ppp=79880a32bf This link will let the whole team preview the "What's new in Fedora 24 Workstation" article that will publish on the GA date. I'd appreciate any suggestions or feedback. Remember the point of the article is not to exhaustively document every new feature, but to promote substantial highlights. If you have upstream links to suggest, I'm happy to consider those as well. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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JBoss development tools on Fedora
by Emeka Bethel N 13 Jun '16

13 Jun '16

I've been thinking, can we have JBoss development tools by default on Fedora anytime soon? We've been pushing a lot of down-stream projects up on Fedora so why not our very own JBoss?

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Invitation: Fedora Release Tools Demo (Live Broadcast) @ Tue Jun 14, 2016 12pm - 1pm (acarter@redhat.com)
by Amanda Carter 09 Jun '16

09 Jun '16

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