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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Drawing glitches in virtual machine and Firefox in f35
by Milan Crha 03 Dec '21

03 Dec '21

Hi, since I upgraded to Fedora 35 I immediately noticed drawing glitches in a virtual machine (virt-manager) and since an update to Firefox 94.0 also there (for example when opening menus), thus I guess it has something to do with the graphics drivers or something like that. I run X.org under MATE and I had never any such issue before the upgrade to f35 (I do run many virtual machines for various testing reasons, thus I'd surely notice). I tried to record the screen, but the created video does not exhibit the problem. The graphics stack is kinda foggy for me, I know basically nothing about it. I do not know where to start the investigation and what to look for. Any suggestion, please? Thanks and bye, Milan P.S.: The hwinfo says: 47: PCI 02.0: 0300 VGA compatible controller (VGA) [Created at pci.386] Unique ID: _Znp.46Z08LJqVYC SysFS ID: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0 SysFS BusID: 0000:00:02.0 Hardware Class: graphics card Device Name: "Onboard IGD" Model: "Intel UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)" Vendor: pci 0x8086 "Intel Corporation" Device: pci 0x3e9b "UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)" SubVendor: pci 0x1028 "Dell" SubDevice: pci 0x0905 Driver: "i915" Driver Modules: "i915" Memory Range: 0xeb000000-0xebffffff (rw,non-prefetchable) Memory Range: 0x80000000-0x8fffffff (ro,non-prefetchable) I/O Ports: 0x4000-0x403f (rw) Memory Range: 0x000c0000-0x000dffff (rw,non-prefetchable,disabled) IRQ: 148 (249285 events) Module Alias: "pci:v00008086d00003E9Bsv00001028sd00000905bc03sc00i00" Driver Info #0: Driver Status: i915 is active Driver Activation Cmd: "modprobe i915" Config Status: cfg=new, avail=yes, need=no, active=unknown

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 29 Nov '21

29 Nov '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-11-30 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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Workstation WG meeting, 30 November (Secretary: Tomáš)
by Allan Day 25 Nov '21

25 Nov '21

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 30 November, at 9.30 EDT. This will be a special meeting since we have guests joining us to talk about NVIDIA and secure boot. See below for the preliminary agenda. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Thanks, Allan -- Agenda #topic NVIDIA driver and secure boot #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155 Special guest stars: Peter Jones & Justin Forbes #topic Outstanding actions Call for F36 workstation changes - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/255 (Neal) 2m shutdown timer - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) New text editor - #248 . Did this get unstuck? #topic Announcements & status updates Anything the group needs to be aware of? #info Last week's minutes have been posted #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-23/workstation.2…

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Should we have rpm package policies tying extension packages to the GNOME versions they'll work with?
by Matthew Miller 24 Nov '21

24 Nov '21

See this Ask Fedora topic: https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-34-extensions-installed-from-dnf-dis… In short, some rpm-packaged GNOME Shell extensions don't work with the GNOME Shell we are shipping, but this isn't expressed in the dependencies. I looked at the package which triggered the question, and: $ rpm -qRp gnome-shell-extension-sound-output-device-chooser-39^1.8c90ed0-1.fc35.noarch.rpm gnome-shell-extension-common python3 rpmlib(CaretInVersions) <= 4.15.0-1 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(FileDigests) <= 4.6.0-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 rpmlib(PayloadIsZstd) <= 5.4.18-1 and $ rpm2cpio gnome-shell-extension-sound-output-device-chooser-39^1.8c90ed0-1.fc35.noarch.rpm |cpio -i --quiet --to-stdout './usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/*/metadata.json'|jq '."shell-version"' [ "3.32", "3.34", "3.36", "3.38", "40" ] Would it make sense to have an automatic dependency generator which requires gnome-shell to be one of those versions? (Or conflicts with gnome-shell which is _not_ those versions?) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-11-23
by Chris Murphy 23 Nov '21

23 Nov '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-11-23) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 21:13:14 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-23/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Chris, Allan, Tomas, Michael, Neal (left early), Jens, (brainycmurf, 21:13:31) * Present guests: Felipe (brainycmurf, 21:13:31) * Regrets: Kalev, Matthias (brainycmurf, 21:13:31) * Missing: Owen, Langdon (brainycmurf, 21:13:31) * Secretary: Jens (brainycmurf, 21:13:31) * Actions from last week (brainycmurf, 21:13:32) * In Repository Gnome Shell Extensions Need Some TLC (brainycmurf, 21:13:38) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/254 (brainycmurf, 21:13:40) * Automatically install the OpenH264 codec (brainycmurf, 21:13:58) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 (brainycmurf, 21:14:00) * Software is recommending proprietary software (brainycmurf, 21:14:08) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 (brainycmurf, 21:14:10) * Announcements & status updates (brainycmurf, 21:14:15) * Last week's minutes have been posted (brainycmurf, 21:14:21) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-16/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 21:14:25) Meeting ended at 21:14:35 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (33) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, 23rd November (Secretary: Kalev)
by Allan Day 23 Nov '21

23 Nov '21

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 23 November, at 9.30 EDT. See below for the preliminary agenda. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers Thanks, Allan -- Agenda #topic Actions from last week Call for F36 workstation changes - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/255 (Neal) 2m shutdown timer - https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (Matthias) #topic In Repository Gnome Shell Extensions Need Some TLC #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/254 #topic Automatically install the OpenH264 codec #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/84 #topic Software is recommending proprietary software #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/203 #topic Announcements & status updates Anything the group needs to be aware of? Peter Jones will be joining us next week, 30th November, to talk about NVIDIA and Secure Boot. #info Last week's minutes have been posted #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-16/workstation.2…

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 22 Nov '21

22 Nov '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-11-23 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2021-11-16
by Chris Murphy 16 Nov '21

16 Nov '21

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2021-11-16) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 17:42:19 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-16/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Matthias, Owen, Chris, Allan, Neal, Michael, (brainycmurf, 17:42:50) * Present guests: Felipe, Zac (brainycmurf, 17:42:50) * Regrets: Jens, Tomas (brainycmurf, 17:42:50) * Secretary: Chris (brainycmurf, 17:42:50) * Call for F36 workstation changes (brainycmurf, 17:42:50) * ACTION: Neal will post to desktop@ list (brainycmurf, 17:42:56) * Improve the user feedback for OOM situations (brainycmurf, 17:42:58) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/202 (brainycmurf, 17:43:00) * LINK: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/20649#issuecomment-914401230 (brainycmurf, 17:43:04) * 2 minute shutdown timer is too long (brainycmurf, 17:43:09) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (brainycmurf, 17:43:11) * ACTION: chris will attempt to locate a PK reproducer and file a bug (brainycmurf, 17:43:17) * ACTION: Matthias to reach out to Zbyszek (brainycmurf, 17:43:19) * Enable full preemption (brainycmurf, 17:43:21) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 (brainycmurf, 17:43:23) * LINK: https://www.codeblueprint.co.uk/2019/12/23/linux-preemption-latency-through… (brainycmurf, 17:43:52) * ACTION: chris will ask anaconda devs about how to do this so we've got an idea (brainycmurf, 17:43:54) * Status updates & announcements (brainycmurf, 17:43:56) * Last week's minutes have been posted (brainycmurf, 17:44:04) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2021-11-02/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 17:44:06) Meeting ended at 17:44:13 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Neal will post to desktop@ list * chris will attempt to locate a PK reproducer and file a bug * Matthias to reach out to Zbyszek * chris will ask anaconda devs about how to do this so we've got an idea Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Neal will post to desktop@ list * chris will attempt to locate a PK reproducer and file a bug * Matthias to reach out to Zbyszek * chris will ask anaconda devs about how to do this so we've got an idea People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (41) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.3 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 15 Nov '21

15 Nov '21

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2021-11-16 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10041/

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