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RFC/headsup: dropping device-mapper-multipath from workstation livecd
by Hans de Goede 29 Jun '20

29 Jun '20

Hi All, A while ago I noticed that Fedora ws installed from a livecd has systemd starting (and waiting for) the old obsolete udev-settle service. Which can cause a rather big increase if the bootup time. This is caused by 2 storage related .service files still bringing it into the boot by Requiring the udev-settle service: dmraid and device-mapper-multipath. Ideally these services would be rewritten to support event based activation, but that is quite unlikely to happen anytime soon. So I've come up with a small workaround for dmraid: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DisableDmraidOnFirstRun And for device-mapper-multipath my plan is to simply drop it from the livecd: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/RemoveDeviceMapperMultipathFromWorks… My reasoning here is that multipath support is an enterprise data-center feature and we don't need to support that with the Workstation livecd. Most install in such a setup will likely be server or everything netboot installs anyways. Since this directly impacts the workstation product I thought it would be good to post a headsup here. The change has been announced on fedora-devel, so please reply there to keep all discussion surrounding this in a single place. Regards, Hans

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30 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 26 Jun '20

26 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-30 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 16 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… - Minutes for 23 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-25-… - Announcements - Follow-ups and status reports - Topics #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125#comment-661584 There is a proposal for discussion. - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 23 Jun
by Chris Murphy 24 Jun '20

24 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-23) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 04:07:14 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-25/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 04:07:45) * present: cmurf, aday, jens, felipe, langdon, neal, michael, langdon, mclasen, kalev, josef (cmurf, 04:07:46) * Minutes for 9 Jun meeting (cmurf, 04:07:48) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… (cmurf, 04:07:50) * AGREED: No objections - approved (cmurf, 04:07:52) * Minutes for 16 Jun meeting (cmurf, 04:07:54) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… (cmurf, 04:07:56) * These only just made it to the mailing list, so it's deferred until next week. (cmurf, 04:07:58) * Announcements (cmurf, 04:08:00) * None (cmurf, 04:08:02) * Follow-ups and status reports (cmurf, 04:08:04) * Chris: started a draft nano proposal (cmurf, 04:08:06) * Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 04:08:30) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf, 04:08:32) * Not ready yet - deferred (cmurf, 04:08:34) * Default partitioning: solving the competition for free space (cmurf, 04:08:36) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/152 (cmurf, 04:08:38) * Main questions: are there other ideas/proposals forthcoming? Change (cmurf, 04:08:40) * AGREED: LVM thin partitioning, split partitions for /usr & /var, /etc & /home, not considered to be realistic. The choice is therefore between btrfs, xfs, ext4. (cmurf, 04:08:44) * ACTION: There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend (cmurf, 04:09:32) * btrfs by default (cmurf, 04:09:34) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/153 (cmurf, 04:09:36) * A rough draft proposal is in the ticket. (cmurf, 04:09:38) Meeting ended at 04:09:53 UTC. Action Items ------------ * There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * There will be a btrfs proposal before the weekend People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (63) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 16 Jun
by Chris Murphy 23 Jun '20

23 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-16) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 16:49:08 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-18/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall and introductions (cmurf, 16:49:21) * present: cmurf, aday, kalev, bcotton, felipe, otaylor, igor, james, mclasen, neal, robert handlin, tpopela, mcatanzaro, langdon (cmurf, 16:49:22) * Discussion of Facebook's usage of btrfs (cmurf, 16:49:27) * LINK: Agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u5it1dXxem-DJ8gN9jn9z9y7g9Uliirac1oUWH3… (cmurf, 16:49:29) * snapshotting and rollbacks could be useful for updates on workstation. (cmurf, 16:49:37) * resource control via cgroupsv2 is valuable - btrfs provides IO isolation (cmurf, 16:49:45) * compression extends lifetime of SSDs (cmurf, 16:50:01) * most issues aren't btrfs itself, it discovers problems resulting from hardware (cmurf, 16:50:11) * near term "do not care" mode to make recovery and degraded operations easier (cmurf, 16:50:29) * 'df' 'du' mostly report correctly but don't know about compression, subvolumes behave mostly like directories (cmurf, 16:50:49) * btrfs works fine with dm-crypt, native encryption is being worked on and live conversion is an expected feature (cmurf, 16:50:59) * desktop experience, it just works, has a number of advantages, solves problems (cmurf, 16:51:25) * Facebook can recommend btrfs by default, will be updating laptops/desktops this fall to use it (cmurf, 16:51:27) Meeting ended at 16:51:28 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (68) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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23 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 22 Jun '20

22 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-23 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 9 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… - Minutes for 16 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-18-… - Announcements - Follow-ups and status reports - Topics #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 --- #152 default partitioning: solving the competition for free space https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/152 Main questions: are there other ideas/proposals forthcoming? Change proposal deadline is June 30. --- #153 btrfs by default https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/153 A rough draft proposal is in the ticket. What questions/concerns/commitments does the WG have for the proposal's owners? And does the WG have questions it would like to pose to FESCo? -- Chris Murphy

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16 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 12 Jun '20

12 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-16 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - Minutes for 9 Jun meeting https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2020-06-09-… - Topics #54 Default disk partitioning layout for Workstation https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/54 We will have guests from Facebook joining us to discuss their btrfs experiences: desktop, cloud, containers, servers. - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 9 Jun
by Chris Murphy 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2020-06-09) ============================================== Meeting started by cmurf at 23:32:51 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2020-06-09/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Rollcall (cmurf, 23:33:11) * present: cmurf, neal, aday, kalev, tpopela, mcatanzaro, mclasen, langdon, jens, feborges, james, igor (cmurf, 23:33:13) * regrets: (cmurf, 23:33:15) * missing: owen (showed up later) (cmurf, 23:33:17) * Announcements (cmurf, 23:33:19) * Followups (cmurf, 23:33:25) * automatically adding new packages when upgrading (cmurf, 23:33:29) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 (cmurf, 23:33:31) * AGREED: : pursue 'dnf group update' option rather than metapackages, for starters (cmurf, 23:33:57) * ACTION: : Neal will open an RFE against DNF (cmurf, 23:33:59) * Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps (cmurf, 23:34:01) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 (cmurf, 23:34:03) * AGREED: deferred until Allan has done some work (cmurf, 23:34:05) * Fedora 33 planning session (cmurf, 23:34:07) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/145#comment-655102 (cmurf, 23:34:09) * Planning for next week's meeting (cmurf, 23:34:17) Meeting ended at 23:34:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ * : Neal will open an RFE against DNF Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * : Neal will open an RFE against DNF People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * cmurf (46) * zodbot (7) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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9 Jun, MEETING AGENDA
by Chris Murphy 09 Jun '20

09 Jun '20

Workstation Working Group Meeting Date and Time: 2020-6-9 9:30 am ET 13:30 UTC Location: https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers == Agenda == - No minutes to approve (IRC) - Announcements - Follow-ups - Topics #145 Fedora 33 planning session https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/145#comment-655102 #138 automatically adding new packages when upgrading https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/138 #125 Guidelines for preinstalled and non-removable apps https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/125 - Open Floor -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 08 Jun '20

08 Jun '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-06-09 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 01 Jun '20

01 Jun '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2020-06-02 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9652/

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