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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-08-30
by Chris Murphy 30 Aug '22

30 Aug '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-08-30) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 16:23:31 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-30/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Jens, Kalev, Chris, Michael, Matthias, Neal (brainycmurf, 16:23:47) * Guests: Luna Jernberg(bittin), Zac (brainycmurf, 16:23:47) * Regrets: Owen (brainycmurf, 16:23:47) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 16:23:47) * Secretary: Jens (brainycmurf, 16:23:47) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 16:23:48) * Currently things are looking quite good - probably cannot get 43.rc into Beta. (brainycmurf, 16:23:50) * LINK: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/37/beta/buglist (brainycmurf, 16:23:52) * LINK: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/37/final/buglist (brainycmurf, 16:23:54) * Workstation issues here: (brainycmurf, 16:23:58) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2111025 (gnome-shell) (brainycmurf, 16:24:00) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2121110 (gnome-initial-setup) (brainycmurf, 16:24:02) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2111003 (gnome-contacts) (brainycmurf, 16:24:04) * ACTION: Matthias to check with Florian about the shell screen recording issue (brainycmurf, 16:24:06) * ACTION: Kalev to investigate the gnome-initial-setup issue (brainycmurf, 16:24:08) * ACTION: Allan to comment on the contacts issue (brainycmurf, 16:24:10) * openh264 isn't getting pulled into new installs like we thought it should be, due to a DNF change. (brainycmurf, 16:24:12) * ACTION: Tomas to get the package list and add them to gnome-sig (brainycmurf, 16:24:21) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2858 (brainycmurf, 16:24:23) * AGREED: We'll target 7 September. If we slip by a day, we slip by a day. (brainycmurf, 16:24:38) * Reduce default service timeout to 15s (brainycmurf, 16:24:43) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/163 (brainycmurf, 16:24:45) * Issues with device security panel in F37 (brainycmurf, 16:24:53) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/331 -- (Ubuntu is also discussing this heavily) (brainycmurf, 16:24:55) * AGREED: Keep the panel for F37 (brainycmurf, 16:25:07) * Make more GNOME Circle apps available out of the box (brainycmurf, 16:25:09) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/330 (brainycmurf, 16:25:11) * Release blocking criteria for preinstalled apps (brainycmurf, 16:25:19) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/304 (brainycmurf, 16:25:21) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 16:25:25) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 16:25:29) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-24/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 16:25:31) * gnome-info-collect was released last week to help gnome to collect telemetry: https://blogs.gnome.org/aday/2022/08/25/help-improve-gnome/ (brainycmurf, 16:25:34) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2022-09-06_I18N_Test_Day (brainycmurf, 16:25:37) Meeting ended at 16:46:35 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Matthias to check with Florian about the shell screen recording issue * Kalev to investigate the gnome-initial-setup issue * Allan to comment on the contacts issue * Tomas to get the package list and add them to gnome-sig Action Items, by person ----------------------- * Allan * Allan to comment on the contacts issue * **UNASSIGNED** * Matthias to check with Florian about the shell screen recording issue * Kalev to investigate the gnome-initial-setup issue * Tomas to get the package list and add them to gnome-sig People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (56) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 30 Aug '22

30 Aug '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-08-30 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Heads-up / for discussion: dnf not working with 1G of RAM or less
by Adam Williamson 29 Aug '22

29 Aug '22

Hey folks! I apologize for the wide distribution, but this seemed like a bug it'd be appropriate to get a wide range of input on. There's a bug that was proposed as an F37 Beta blocker: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1907030 it's quite an old bug, but up until recently, the summary was apparently accurate - dnf would run out of memory with 512M of RAM, but was OK with 1G. However, as of quite recently, on F36 at least (not sure if anyone's explicitly tested F37), dnf operations are commonly failing on VMs/containers with 1G of RAM due to running out of RAM and getting OOM-killed. There's some discussion in the bug about what might be causing this and potential ways to resolve it, and please do dig into/contribute to that if you can, but the other question here I guess is: how much do we care about this? How bad is it that you can't reliably run dnf operations on top of a minimal Fedora environment with 1G of RAM? This obviously has some overlap with our stated hardware requirements, so here they are for the record: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/latest/release-notes/welcome/Ha… that specifies 2GB as the minimum memory for "the default installation", by which I think it's referring to a default Workstation install, though this should be clarified. But then there's a "Low memory installations" boxout, which suggests that "users with less than 768MB of system memory may have better results performing a minimal install and adding to it afterward", which kinda is recommending that people do exactly the thing that doesn't work (do a minimal install then use dnf on it), and implying it'll work. After some consideration I don't think it makes sense to take this bug as an F37 blocker, since it already affects F36, and that's what I'll be suggesting at the next blocker review meeting. However, it does seem a perfect candidate for prioritized bug status, and I've nominated it for that. I guess if folks can chime in with thoughts here and/or in the bug report, maybe a consensus will emerge on just how big of an issue this is (and how likely it is to get fixed). There will presumably be a FESCo ticket related to prioritized bug status too. Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Request for testing: Fedora 37 pre-Beta validation tests
by Adam Williamson 29 Aug '22

29 Aug '22

Hey folks! So we're in freeze for Fedora 37 Beta now, and the first go/no-go meeting should be on September 8. It would be really great if we can get the validation tests run now so we can find any remaining blocker bugs in good time to get them fixed. Right now the blocker list looks short, but there are definitely some tests that have not been run. You can use the testcase_stats view to find tests that need running: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/testcase_stats/37/ For each validation test set (Base, Desktop etc.) it shows when each test was last performed. So you can easily look for Basic and Beta tests that have not yet been run. We need to run all of these. You can enter results using `relval report-results`, or edit the summary results page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Summary . That's a redirect link which will always point to the validation results page for the currently-nominated compose, which right now is 20220826.n.0. Sumantro will be running a validation 'test week' starting on Wednesday, so you can drop by the Fedora Test Day room on chat.fedoraproject.org to hang out with other testers and get any help you need in testing. See https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test-announce@lists.fedorapro… for that announcement. Thanks folks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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2022-08-29 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 37 Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 27 Aug '22

27 Aug '22

# F36 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2022-08-29 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.libera.chat Hi folks! We have 4 proposed Beta blockers and13 proposed Final blockers to review, so let's have a review meeting. If you have time this weekend, you can take a look at the proposed or accepted blockers before the meeting - the full lists can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ . Remember, you can also now vote on bugs outside of review meetings! If you look at the bug list in the blockerbugs app, you'll see links labeled "Vote!" next to all proposed blockers and freeze exceptions. Those links take you to tickets where you can vote. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review has instructions on how exactly you do it. We usually go through the tickets shortly before the meeting and apply any clear votes, so the meeting will just cover bugs where there wasn't a clear outcome in the ticket voting yet. **THIS MEANS IF YOU VOTE NOW, THE MEETING WILL BE SHORTER!** We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F36 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good weekend and see you Monday! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting, 30 August (secretary: Jens)
by Allan Day 25 Aug '22

25 Aug '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 30 August, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic F37 release status #topic Reduce default service timeout to 15s Did we get anywhere with this since last week? #topic Issues with device security panel in F37 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/331 #topic Make more GNOME Circle apps available out of the box #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/330 #topic Release blocking criteria for preinstalled apps #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/304 #topic Announcements, Status Updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-24/workstation.2…

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-08-23
by Chris Murphy 24 Aug '22

24 Aug '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-08-23) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 15:08:10 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-24/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Allan, Michael, Kalev, Matthias, Chris, Tomas, Jens, Neal, Owen (brainycmurf, 15:08:26) * Guests: Luna Jernberg (bittin), Sumantro, Jimmac (brainycmurf, 15:08:26) * Regrets: (brainycmurf, 15:08:26) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 15:08:26) * Secretary: Michael (brainycmurf, 15:08:26) * F37 release status (brainycmurf, 15:08:27) * F37 beta freeze has just begun (brainycmurf, 15:08:29) * Next GNOME development release is the RC on 2022-09-03 (brainycmurf, 15:08:31) * Early target date for F37 beta is 2022-09-13 (brainycmurf, 15:08:33) * Beta go/no-go meeting is 2022-09-08 (brainycmurf, 15:08:35) * F37 beta blockers (brainycmurf, 15:08:37) * LINK: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/37/beta/buglist (brainycmurf, 15:08:39) * GNOME 43 test day results (brainycmurf, 15:08:45) * LINK: https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/138 (brainycmurf, 15:08:47) * Reduce default service timeout to 15s (brainycmurf, 15:09:26) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2853 (brainycmurf, 15:09:28) * LINK: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/18386 (brainycmurf, 15:09:30) * ACTION: Chris to ask Anita if this can be changed upstream (brainycmurf, 15:09:48) * Evaluate the state of gnome-calendar (brainycmurf, 15:09:54) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/306 (brainycmurf, 15:09:56) * Release blocking criteria for preinstalled apps (brainycmurf, 15:10:32) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/304 (brainycmurf, 15:10:34) * Announcements, Status Updates (brainycmurf, 15:10:38) * The minutes from last week have been posted. (brainycmurf, 15:10:40) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-17/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 15:10:42) * KDE aKademy first week of October in Barcelona (brainycmurf, 15:10:45) * LINK: http://akademy.kde.org/2022 (brainycmurf, 15:10:47) * LINK: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/prd/ (brainycmurf, 15:10:56) * LINK: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/schedule/ (brainycmurf, 15:11:00) Meeting ended at 15:11:02 UTC. Action Items ------------ * Chris to ask Anita if this can be changed upstream Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * Chris to ask Anita if this can be changed upstream People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (73) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 23 Aug '22

23 Aug '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-08-23 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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2022-08-22 @ 16:00 UTC - Fedora 37 Blocker Review Meeting
by Adam Williamson 22 Aug '22

22 Aug '22

# F36 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2022-08-22 # Time: 16:00 UTC # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.libera.chat Hi folks! We have 3 proposed Beta blockers, 1 proposed Beta freeze exception issue, and 13 proposed Final blockers to review, so let's have a review meeting. Note, I'll try and cut that number of Final blockers down before the meeting - it'll help if folks can vote ahead. If you have time today, you can take a look at the proposed or accepted blockers before the meeting - the full lists can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/ . Remember, you can also now vote on bugs outside of review meetings! If you look at the bug list in the blockerbugs app, you'll see links labeled "Vote!" next to all proposed blockers and freeze exceptions. Those links take you to tickets where you can vote. https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/blocker-review has instructions on how exactly you do it. We usually go through the tickets shortly before the meeting and apply any clear votes, so the meeting will just cover bugs where there wasn't a clear outcome in the ticket voting yet. **THIS MEANS IF YOU VOTE NOW, THE MEETING WILL BE SHORTER!** We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate any of the Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F36 can be found on the wiki [0]. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go and you want to run one - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting Have a good night/day and see you tomorrow/later today! [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting, 23 August (secretary: Michael)
by Allan Day 18 Aug '22

18 Aug '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 23 August, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic F37 release status #topic GNOME 43 test day results #link https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/138 #topic Reduce default service timeout to 15s #link https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2853 #topic Evaluate the state of gnome-calendar #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/306 #topic Release blocking criteria for preinstalled apps #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/304 #topic Announcements, Status Updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-08-17/workstation.2…

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