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Release criteria proposal: networking requirements
by Adam Williamson 01 Mar '22

01 Mar '22

Hi folks! So at this week's blocker review meeting, the fact that we don't have explicit networking requirements in the release criteria really started to bite us. In the past we have squeezed networking-related issues in under other criteria, but for some issues that's really difficult, notably VPN issues. So, we agreed we should draft some explicit networking criteria. This turns out to be a big area and quite hard to cover (who'd've thought!), but here is at least a first draft for us to start from. My proposal would be to add this to the Basic criteria. I have left out some wikitext stuff from the proposal for clarity; I'd add it back in on actually applying the proposed changes. It's just formatting stuff, nothing that'd change the meaning. Anyone have thoughts, complaints, alternative approaches, supplements? Thanks! === Network requirements === Each of these requirements apply to both installer and installed system environments. For any given installer environment, the 'default network configuration tools' are considered to be those the installer documents as supported ways to configure networking (e.g. for anaconda-based environments, configuration via kernel command line options, a kickstart, or interactively in anaconda itself are included). ==== Basic networking ==== It must be possible to establish both IPv4 and IPv6 network connections using DHCP and static addressing. The default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops must work well enough to allow typical network connection configuration operations without major workarounds. Standard network functions such as address resolution and connections with common protocols such as ping, HTTP and ssh must work as expected. Footnote titled "Supported hardware": Supported network hardware is hardware for which the Fedora kernel includes drivers and, where necessary, for which a firmware package is available. If support for a commonly-used piece or type of network hardware that would usually be present is omitted, that may constitute a violation of this criterion, after consideration of the [[Blocker_Bug_FAQ|hardware-dependent- issues|normal factors for hardware-dependent issues]]. Similarly, violations of this criteria that are hardware or configuration dependent are, as usual, subject to consideration of those factors when determining whether they are release-blocking ==== VPN connections ==== Using the default network configuration tools for the console and for release-blocking desktops, it must be possible to establish a working connection to common OpenVPN, openconnect-supported and vpnc-supported VNC servers with typical configurations. Footnote title "Supported servers and configurations": As there are many different VPN server applications and configurations, blocker reviewers must use their best judgment in determining whether violations of this criterion are likely to be encountered commonly enough to block a release, and if so, at which milestone. As a general principle, the more people are likely to use affected servers and the less complicated the configuration required to hit the bug, the more likely it is to be a blocker. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 28 Feb '22

28 Feb '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-03-01 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Workstation WG meeting, 1 March (secretary: Owen)
by Allan Day 25 Feb '22

25 Feb '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 1 March, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic NVIDIA driver and UEFI secure boot #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/155 Any updates? #topic Add VS Code to the 3rd party repos #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/283 #topic Rescue boot entry not updated on OS upgrades #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/259 What's the story here? #topic New Anaconda UI #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/anaconda-is-getting-a-new-suit/ Feedback on existing pain points - https://hackmd.io/@aday/BkG74VLl9 #topic Announcements, status updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted online. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-24/workstation.2…

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-02-22
by Chris Murphy 23 Feb '22

23 Feb '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-02-22) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 00:14:41 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-24/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Chris, Jens, Allan, Michael, Owen, Matthias, Tomas, Neal (brainycmurf, 00:14:53) * Present guests: Zac (brainycmurf, 00:14:53) * Regrets: Tomas and Matthias (second half), (brainycmurf, 00:14:53) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 00:14:53) * Secretary: Matthias and Michael (brainycmurf, 00:14:53) * Status of GNOME 42 in F36 (brainycmurf, 00:14:54) * LINK: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2049147 (brainycmurf, 00:15:00) * New Anaconda UI (brainycmurf, 00:15:05) * LINK: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/anaconda-is-getting-a-new-suit/ (brainycmurf, 00:15:07) * question over future of importance of and ability to support dual boot (brainycmurf, 00:15:28) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/278 (brainycmurf, 00:15:30) * concerns about web based UI, and maintaining GTK frontend as an alternative (brainycmurf, 00:15:46) * Announcements, status updates (brainycmurf, 00:15:51) * The minutes from last week have been posted online. (brainycmurf, 00:15:53) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-15/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 00:15:55) Meeting ended at 00:20:29 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (34) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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Workstation WG meeting, 22 February (secretary: Matthias)
by Allan Day 21 Feb '22

21 Feb '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 22 February, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic New Anaconda UI #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/anaconda-is-getting-a-new-suit/ #topic Pycharm still missing metadata #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/249 #topic Fedora PRD #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 We might see more progress in the coming weeks #topic Announcements, status updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted online. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-15/workstation.2…

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 21 Feb '22

21 Feb '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-02-22 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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GNOME (and Cinnamon) issues in Rawhide: status report, including gnome-bluetooth soname issues
by Adam Williamson 16 Feb '22

16 Feb '22

Hey folks! While we're working through fixing this up, I wanted to send out a note about what's going on. tl;dr summary: GNOME is broken in Rawhide, and blueberry (Cinnamon's bluetooth app) may have dep issues temporarily. If you need GNOME to work, downgrade gnome-shell and mutter. Otherwise, apologies for the rough ride, hold onto your hats, we're trying to get things fixed up. Full version: gnome-shell and mutter 42~beta builds were run yesterday. For Fedora 36 they were done in a sidetag, but for Rawhide, no sidetag yet existed, so unfortunately they went straight to the main Rawhide tag and were included in yesterday's compose. It turns out having those packages at 42~beta but older versions of other packages gives you a broken GNOME; anyone who updated to Rawhide yesterday will likely see GNOME crash to the "Oh no!" screen on boot. To deal with that for now, the best thing to do is to downgrade gnome- shell and mutter back to the previous builds from Koji. Since the builds have been in a compose, we can't untag them from Rawhide, we can only move forwards. So we're trying to build enough of the rest of GNOME 42~beta to get things working again, but it turns out quite a lot of stuff needs to be built for that. A particular pain point is gnome-bluetooth. gnome-shell 42~beta needs gnome-bluetooth 42, but the new gnome-bluetooth changes the library API. We noticed that Cinnamon's bluetooth app, blueberry, is built against the old gnome-bluetooth API, and there are no patches upstream to handle this. That left us in an awkward spot. Ideally what should happen is the gnome-bluetooth soname bump would be announced and Leigh would have a week to figure out what to do for blueberry/cinnamon. But if we do that now, GNOME would be broken for a week in Rawhide, which is not ideal. The solution we decided on is to bump gnome-bluetooth to 42~beta, but add a gnome-bluetooth3.34 compat package, which should keep blueberry working until Cinnamon folks can come up with a plan. David King submitted the package, and I reviewed it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2039855 and it should be built soon. blueberry will need to be rebuilt with its deps changed a bit, but that should be all. It would be ideal if Leigh could take over maintenance of this package as long as it's needed. As things stand right now, gnome-bluetooth 42~beta is built for Rawhide but gnome-bluetooth3.34 is not yet; depending on exactly when we get it built it may just miss today's compose, meaning Cinnamon image compose would be broken for that day, and updates of Rawhide Cinnamon systems to that day's packages would likely have issues. Most of the other packages we think we need to build to make GNOME work again are done, but gnome-control-center is proving tricky; I got some work done towards getting it to build, but wasn't able to get it all the way, so I've left a couple of PRs: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/colord-gtk/pull-request/1 https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/gnome-control-center/pull-request/10 and David is going to pick it up and move forward. I'll check back in in the morning. Thanks folks, and sorry again for the trouble! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Fedora Workstation WG minutes, 2022-02-15
by Chris Murphy 15 Feb '22

15 Feb '22

============================================== #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2022-02-15) ============================================== Meeting started by brainycmurf at 22:15:34 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-15/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Present members: Neal, Tomas, Allan, Jens, Matthias, Chris, (brainycmurf, 22:15:48) * Present guests: Zac (sally has conflicting meeting monthly, will be at the next WG mtg :) ) (brainycmurf, 22:15:48) * Regrets: Michael (brainycmurf, 22:15:48) * Missing: (brainycmurf, 22:15:48) * Secretary: Tomas (brainycmurf, 22:15:48) * Post-branch tasks (brainycmurf, 22:15:50) * GNOME test day? (brainycmurf, 22:15:52) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-qa/issue/692 (brainycmurf, 22:15:54) * default editor has been changed to gnome-text-editor (brainycmurf, 22:16:06) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/248 (brainycmurf, 22:16:08) * Generate GNOME Software previews / artwork? (brainycmurf, 22:16:10) * Fedora PRD (brainycmurf, 22:16:12) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 (brainycmurf, 22:16:14) * Identify developer tools that we want to feature on the website (brainycmurf, 22:16:18) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/280 (brainycmurf, 22:16:20) * F36 promotion (brainycmurf, 22:16:41) * LINK: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/Engagement/release-notes/-/issues/38 (brainycmurf, 22:16:45) * Announcements, status updates (brainycmurf, 22:16:59) * The minutes from last week have been posted online. (brainycmurf, 22:17:01) * LINK: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-08/workstation.2… (brainycmurf, 22:17:03) Meeting ended at 22:19:51 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * brainycmurf (43) * zodbot (7) * Allan (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.4 .. _`MeetBot`: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by catanzaro＠fedoraproject.org 15 Feb '22

15 Feb '22

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2022-02-15 from 09:30:00 to 10:30:00 US/Eastern At https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group Current Topics: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Etherpad: https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fedora-workstation-wg More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10142/

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Workstation WG meeting, 14 February (secretary: Tomáš)
by Allan Day 14 Feb '22

14 Feb '22

Hi all, The next meeting of the Fedora Workstation Working Group is planned for Tuesday 14 February, at 9.30 EDT. Join links: - https://bluejeans.com/395383051/ - https://www.bluejeans.com/numbers See below for the agenda. Allan -- Agenda #topic Post-branch tasks GNOME test day? Any features to enable/disable? Did #248 get resolved? #topic Fedora PRD #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/262 #topic Identify developer tools that we want to feature on the website #link https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/280 #topic F36 promotion Any blog posts that should be written? #topic Announcements, status updates #info The minutes from last week have been posted online. #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2022-02-08/workstation.2…

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