desktop March 2019

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"Basic graphics mode" feature and criterion discussion
by Adam Williamson 02 Apr '19

02 Apr '19

Hi folks! So at last week's Fedora 30 Beta Go/No-Go meeting, it was decided that the Basic release criterion: "Boot menu contents The boot menu for all supported installer and live images should include an entry which causes both installation and the installed system to use a generic, highly compatible video driver (such as 'vesa'). This mechanism should work correctly, launching the installer or desktop and attempting to use the generic driver." should no longer apply to Beta - i.e. that it should no longer be a Basic or Beta criterion. The justification for this is, I hope I am correctly representing all views here (please say so if not), that this mechanism is both less necessary (due to a general reduction in the amount of 'weird' graphics hardware out there, and general improvement in the reliability and coverage of the major drivers for the major graphics hardware manufacturers) and inherently less likely to work (due to the general trend of work on kernel modesetting and Wayland) than it used to be. For context, it is worth noting that the *feature* predates the introduction of both kernel modesetting *and* Wayland to Fedora. What the feature initially did was tell anaconda to write an X config file specifying the 'vesa' driver (instead of working out the correct 'native' driver for the adapter and writing a config file specifying that). After KMS was introduced in Fedora 10, the mechanism was tweaked to also pass the 'nomodeset' kernel parameter to disable KMS. Around 2012 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=858270) we noticed that the X config file mechanism was a bit superfluous as 'nomodeset' alone could basically be relied on to force some sort of 'fallback mechanism', and so the feature was simplified to *only* specify the 'nomodeset' kernel parameter (this is all it does now). The *criterion* dates to 2010, in the Fedora 15 release cycle: it appears in the Fedora 15 Alpha criteria but not the Fedora 14 Alpha criteria. It was added on 2010-08-16: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Fedora_15_Alpha_Release_Criteri… The group at the meeting did not, however, make any further decisions, so this leaves us with some open questions: 0) Do we generally agree with the decision made at the meeting? If anyone (especially a subject matter expert) strongly believes the decision was wrong and this should still be a Basic/Beta requirement, please say so. 1) Should the criterion be modified somehow, but some requirement in relation to some kind of fallback graphical mode be kept at Basic or Beta? 2) Should the criterion be moved to Final, unchanged or changed somehow? 3) Should the requirement just basically be dropped entirely as no longer useful? 4) (This one mainly for ajax and airlied) to what extent does the concept of a 'fallback option' for our supported desktop environments and graphical servers still actually make sense? Could a different implementation of the same basic idea be envisaged, and would it be useful? If so, should we do that, and what would be the consequences for the criteria? I realize this is quite a big and fuzzy topic, but I'm hoping the responses to this mail will clarify our path :) So if you have any kind of useful information or strong opinions on the general area here, please do contribute them, and hopefully a clearer way forward will emerge. Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Rawhide performance considerations
by Damian Ivanov 28 Mar '19

28 Mar '19

Hello, I want to find out except, rawhide not being stable, what packages are negatively impacted in rawhide performance wise and or other build options that otherwise negatively impact user experience on rawhide compared to released fedora. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Mesa-Meson-Debug… Thanks for any hints.

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 23 Mar '19

23 Mar '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-03-25 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Dec 03 - Michael Catanzaro * Dec 17 - Matthias Clasen * Jan 14 - Rex Dieter * Jan 28 - (devconf) * Feb 11 - Paul Frields * Feb 25 - Kalev Lember * Mar 11 - Ryan Lerch * Mar 25 - Jens Petersen * Apr 08 - Christian Schaller * Apr 22 - Owen Taylor More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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Is it possible to add 1633365 (evolution critical failure) to F30 release blockers?
by John Mellor 22 Mar '19

22 Mar '19

Is it possible to add fatal issue 1633365 to the list of blocker bugs for F30? Almost everyone running F28 and F29 Gnome desktop worldwide has reported some variant of this very high severity evolution bug that easily causes a full desktop crash. I believe that its time to get this bug to block the next release. ref: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1633365

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Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 30 Candidate Beta-1.4 Available Now!
by Adam Williamson 21 Mar '19

21 Mar '19

On Thu, 2019-03-21 at 01:36 +0000, rawhide(a)fedoraproject.org wrote: > According to the schedule [1], Fedora 30 Candidate Beta-1.4 is now > available for testing. Please help us complete all the validation > testing! For more information on release validation testing, see: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Release_validation_test_plan > > Test coverage information for the current release can be seen at: > https://www.happyassassin.net/testcase_stats/30 > > You can see all results, find testing instructions and image download > locations, and enter results on the Summary page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Summary > > The individual test result pages are: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Installation > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Base > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Server > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Cloud > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Desktop > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_30_Beta_1.4_Security_Lab > > All Beta priority test cases for each of these test pages [2] must > pass in order to meet the Beta Release Criteria [3]. > > Help is available on #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net [4], or on the > test list [5]. Hey folks! So, unfortunately we had some trouble getting a candidate build done, but now we have one. The go/no-go meeting is on Thursday at 17:00 UTC - that's in about 11 hours. Obviously time is tight to do the testing, but if folks could help test as much stuff as possible, that'd be great. We do have one outstanding blocker bug, but there's a chance it'll get downgraded at the meeting, so it'd be great if we could complete the testing for all Beta tests on this compose. If there isn't enough time, though, no-one will blame us :) Thanks everyone! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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F30 Testing request: "basic graphics mode" in Workstation
by Adam Williamson 13 Mar '19

13 Mar '19

Hi folks! So there's a current Beta blocker bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1683197 it is currently accepted as a blocker on the understanding that trying to boot to Workstation in 'basic graphics mode' (i.e. with 'nomodeset' on the cmdline) *always* fails, on all hardware (or at least on most hardware). However, we don't yet have enough testing to be sure of this. It'd be very helpful if folks with a test box can boot a Fedora 30 Workstation live image on it, using the 'Start Fedora-Workstation-Live 30 in basic graphics mode' option from the 'Troubleshooting' menu, and see if it successfully reaches the desktop. Here's an image you can use: https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/branched/Fedora-30-20190301.n.0/… (For bonus points, you can also try this with the F29 final live image, and see if it works with *that* :>) Please report your findings as a reply to this email, thanks a lot! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Workstation WG meeting recap 2019-Feb-25
by Kalev Lember 13 Mar '19

13 Mar '19

================================= #fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG ================================= Meeting started by kalev at 14:01:00 UTC. The full logs are available at https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-02-25/workstation.2… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll call (kalev, 14:01:13) * Install gamemode by default? (kalev, 14:05:05) * LINK: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/88 (kalev, 14:05:12) * LINK: https://meetbot-raw.fedoraproject.org/teams/workstation/workstation.2019-02… is the last log that I found (kalev, 14:07:09) * AGREED: Workstation WG agrees to install gamemode by default. While we think the design is fundamentally not ideal, the security implications of allowing the current session to adjust cpu governor and gpu clocking are small. (kalev, 14:22:56) * F30 status (kalev, 14:23:23) * We got first F30 compose last night (kalev, 14:25:10) * GNOME 3.32 test day is on Wednesday over at #fedora-test-day (kalev, 14:27:28) * We're almost fully up to date with GNOME 3.32 upstream releases, with the exception of gdm and gnome-initial-setup (kalev, 14:31:25) * We have several new flatpaks built in Fedora: 0ad, wesnoth, thunderbird (kalev, 14:34:04) * ship Fedora flatpak repos by default? (kalev, 14:35:41) * ACTION: kalev to make sure fedora flatpak repos are installed by default (kalev, 14:43:48) * Videos discussion from the fedora-desktop list (kalev, 14:44:56) Meeting ended at 15:00:05 UTC. Action Items ------------ * kalev to make sure fedora flatpak repos are installed by default Action Items, by person ----------------------- * kalev * kalev to make sure fedora flatpak repos are installed by default * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * kalev (92) * otaylor (36) * zodbot (13) * mcatanzaro (12) * juhp (12) * kparal (11) * mclasen (11) * ryanlerch (8) * kwizart (4) * cschalle (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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Workstation WG recap 2019-03-11
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 13 Mar '19

13 Mar '19

#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG Meeting started by juhp at 13:19:44 UTC (full logs <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…> ). Meeting summary 1. 1. https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting ( juhp <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…>, 13:26:04) 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Firefox_Wayland_By_Default_On_Gnome https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BootLoaderSpecByDefault in particular (otaylor <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…>, 13:29:42) 3. otaylor planning to resend query for asking revised best times for members to attend this meeting to get better consensus (juhp <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…>, 13:29:44) 4. http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/59 has the test results (kalev <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…>, 13:45:28) Meeting ended at 14:00:43 UTC (full logs <https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2019-03-11/workstation_w…> ). People present (lines said) 1. juhp (30) 2. zodbot (11) 3. otaylor (10) 4. mcatanzaro (8) 5. kalev (8) 6. cschalle__ (2) 7. sgallagh (1)

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ffwayland feature, screenshots animations screencasting
by Chris Murphy 11 Mar '19

11 Mar '19

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1678453 Regarding comment 4: this sounds like pretty basic functionality (screenshots in particular) will not work with ffwayland until Fedora 31 anyway. Also, ffwayland feature depends on Firefox 66 now, which isn't releasing until 19.March, and the Beta Release (Preferred Target) Go/No-go is on 21.March. Question is whether either of these is enough of a cause for concern to just push the feature to Fedora 31? -- Chris Murphy

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Workstation WG
by stickster＠gmail.com 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Workstation WG on 2019-03-11 from 09:00:00 to 10:00:00 America/New_York At fedora-meeting-2(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Regular meeting for the Workstation Working Group. Agenda: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Chair: * Dec 03 - Michael Catanzaro * Dec 17 - Matthias Clasen * Jan 14 - Rex Dieter * Jan 28 - (devconf) * Feb 11 - Paul Frields * Feb 25 - Kalev Lember * Mar 11 - Ryan Lerch * Mar 25 - Jens Petersen * Apr 08 - Christian Schaller * Apr 22 - Owen Taylor More information available at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/6411/

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