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Decision on Fedora Product branding: Fedora $PRODUCT 21 vs Fedora 21 $PRODUCT
by Stephen Gallagher 21 Oct '14

21 Oct '14

Hello folks, I raised a question with the Board a couple weeks ago[1] as to how we should be branding the different releases. It's been clear that different groups have different opinions on whether we should call something Fedora Server 21 vs. Fedora 21 Server (and Workstation and Cloud, of course). I was asked by the Board to get input from each of the working groups as well as marketing and branding folks. I'm sending this to each of these lists, but PLEASE keep all replies on the devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org list or it will be impossible to keep track of the replies. (I've set the reply-to header on this email; please try not to lose it). A few specific comments that have been made on the Board ticket (to avoid rehashing them). * "Fedora Server 21" sounds like we've had 21 releases of Fedora Server and we certainly haven't. * Should we start all of the Products at version 1 and say "built on the Fedora 21 platform"? Anyway, we need to have a consistent branding decision made for the release (and for the Ambassadors). So please come prepared to find a consensus (not to win a fight). [1] https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/11

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Re: New in beta to highlight?
by Paul W. Frields 20 Oct '14

20 Oct '14

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 01:21:36PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > Hi all, > > Any big new features/changes in the beta we should be highlighting in the beta announcement? > > Please let me know ASAP and I'll incorporate them. Or - edit boldly! > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Beta_release_announcement I just noticed this didn't reach the Workstation WG because their list is actually desktop@lists-fp-o. Workstation folks, have at it! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Re: Workstation branding on login screen (GDM)
by Ryan Lerch 20 Oct '14

20 Oct '14

On Oct 17, 2014 7:38 PM, Debarshi Ray <rishi.is(a)lostca.se> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 08:29:51AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:10:02AM +0300, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > > Also I don't think the "Upstream doesn't put a logo" is a good argument. > > > We are not just distributing upstream. We are building a product > > > (Workstation in this case) and we can decide on our own what's best. > > > > Absolutely. We want to align technology and effort with upstream as best we > > can, but our goals (and therefore needs) aren't dictated by upstream, and > > sometimes they will diverge. A _cosmetic_ change like this isn't a big > > divergence in any way ??? but *is* a big deal for Fedora. > > What I find troubling is that every few months there is this whole > branding debate driven by a 'this is Fedora, our needs are different > from upstream' ideology. Once it was the login screen, then it was > the logo in 'about' or Settings -> Details, and now it is about the > default shell chrome. > > I find it troubling that Fedora's need to exert its brand is increasing > so quickly, and the lack of acknowledgement that such needs have been > granted so far From what I can gather the issue that is being encountered here is that Fedora Workstation is being marketed as a product, yet nowhere (highly) visible on the product is the brand. As grateful as we can be for being "granted" the ability to put the fedora logo in the details screen, this is the physical product equivalent of having the logo on the front of the user manual. The workstation product has an additional hurdle to overcome because of the nature of upstreams. Any downstream looks essentially the same as us. Without some better, more visible reinforcement of the brand there is no differentiation between Fedora workstation and any other distribution using GNOME. If we rely on the visual style of the shell alone as our branding element, then to people that know what the shell actually is you are running GNOME, not Fedora Workstation. To people that don't know what the shell is, you are running something called "activities". All other desktop OSes that have strong brands have identifying features on their desktops to reinforce their brand: Ubuntu, Windows, OS X, Red Hat Enterprise Linux. Regards, Ryanlerch > > Beginning to look like a slippery slope. > > Cheers, > Debarshi

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Workstation feedback on generic-release-workstation request?
by Bruno Wolff III 20 Oct '14

20 Oct '14

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1154154 is a request to provide a generic-release-workstation (sub)package in order to allow for convenient remixing of a debranded Fedora Workstation. It seemed odd that firewalld-config-workstation would require system-release-workstation and if this were to be done we'd need to be sure not to break Fedora composes. I was hoping to hear some comments from the workstation group in the ticket.

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Workstation branding on login screen (GDM)
by Ryan Lerch 20 Oct '14

20 Oct '14

Hi all, With my design team hat on, I have been working on finalizing the branding and logos for each of the products, and thought that because we are the only product that is using the login screen, that to reinforce that to the user that it is fedora workstation that is being used, the plain "Fedora" logo on the GDM screen should be replaced with the Fedora Workstation branding. here is a mockup of how this possibly would look with the greyscale version of the fedora workstation logo: https://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/workstation-gdm-mockup.jpg thoughts? ideas? cheers, ryanlerch

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[Accessibility] Can one modify line spacing in gnome-terminal
by Ankur Sinha 18 Oct '14

18 Oct '14

Hello, I've just had someone ask whether it was possible to increase the line spacing in gnome-terminal. This particular gentleman has +3 corrective eye lenses in both eyes for astigmatism and he says he finds it difficult to use text intensive applications such as irssi in the terminal. He says he's already tried increasing the font sizes etc., and is using a font that has a large height difference between letters like "a.c.e" and "b,d,g,h" for the time being. Is there a setting for line spacing? I wonder if this is worth adding to accessibility? From his account, it seems like only increasing the font size isn't enough in all cases. -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur (FranciscoD) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Join Fedora! Come talk to us! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Join_SIG

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F21 Beta release announcement
by Jaroslav Reznik 17 Oct '14

17 Oct '14

Hi marketing team/WGs, me again - we're getting closer to Beta release. The readiness meeting is just one week away from now, it would be great to have at least draft prepared. I see, Joe already created Beta announcement page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_Beta_release_announcement Btw. it was excellent work on Alpha, with WGs and everyone else being involved! I expect we don't need much updates from Alpha, just a bit extend it with more features, more details. Thanks Jaroslav

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"Package sets" release criterion: what to do with it?
by Adam Williamson 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

Hi, folks. I'm checking the release criteria again for Fedora.next compatibility, and there's an Alpha criterion with obvious issues: "Package sets When doing a graphical install using the dedicated installer images, the installer must be able to install each of the release blocking desktops, as well as the minimal package set. " This was obviously written to the world where we had generic installer images - the DVD, and intentionally-generic netinsts. We do not have those things any more. Do we want to dump this criterion entirely, or is there any of it we would like to keep? For instance, would we consider it 'release blocking' functionality for you to be able to do some/any of the above from the Server and/or Workstation network install images *after configuring the repos manually*? Particularly, the minimal installation? I'm not sure F21 as currently conceived would offer an avenue for doing an interactive minimal installation. Basically, it comes down to: do we want to have a blessed method for doing a network install of KDE and/or minimal? If so, do we want to block releases on it? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net

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Changing default applications
by Ryan Lerch 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

Hi, Just wondering if there is still a simple way to change default applications in Fedora in the interface. In the past (a long time ago IIRC), it was possible to do this via the nautilus "open with..." dialog, but it seems that this isn't possible anymore. I do know it is possible to change the major default applications (Web Browser, Mail Client, Image Viewer, etc) in the details screen in the control center, but i am after the ability to, say, set Inkscape as my default SVG application rather than EOG. I also know that it is possible to change the mimetype manually in /home/rlerch/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list , but just wondering if there is still a way for users to change this without having to edit config files. If this doesnt exist anymore, would this be suitable functionality to propose for the Tweak Tool? cheers, ryanlerch

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qt apps appdata
by Matthias Clasen 15 Oct '14

15 Oct '14

One thing that came up in the last meeting is that it would be good to ensure that we have good app data for prominent qt apps. Today, I tried to produce a list of such apps: kate kdenlive scribus calligra krita quassel qtcreator kcachegrind

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