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Workstation WG calendar and meeting
by Josh Boyer 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

Hi All, As discussed at Flock, we're going to try an IRC meeting every other week. I've setup a calendar for us on Fedocal that you can find here: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/workstation/ The first meeting will be in #fedora-meeting on August 27 at 15:00 UTC. I'll prepare an agenda and send it out at least one day before. It will primarily be looking over the TODO list, but there might be some other things on it. Thanks! josh

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2014-08-20 @ 16:00 UTC ** F21 Blocker Bug Review
by Kamil Paral 20 Aug '14

20 Aug '14

# F21 Blocker Review meeting # Date: 2014-08-20 # Time: 16:00 UTC (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net It's the time again for another blocker bug meeting, and it's happening today! At the moment there are 3 proposed blockers and 1 proposed freeze exception for F21 Alpha. The full list can be found here: https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/21/alpha/buglist We'll be evaluating these bugs to see if they violate the Alpha Release Criteria and warrant the blocking of a release if they're not fixed. Information on the release criteria for F21 can be found on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Release_Criteria Product specific plans are still being solidified, but that should be sorted quickly. For more information about the Blocker and Freeze exception process, check out these links: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_blocker_bug_process - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_freeze_exception_bug_process And for those of you who are curious how a Blocker Review Meeting works - or how it's supposed to go - check out the SOP on the wiki: - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting We hope to see many of you! Kamil

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Problems with Adwaita theme
by Adam Batkin 18 Aug '14

18 Aug '14

I have linked to a few screenshots which I think cover my biggest issues with Adwaita as it stands: 1) focus.png[1] - 4 identical terminal windows. It's nearly impossible to tell which one has focus. Sure, the titlebar text is a little darker, and there might even be some shading around the focused window (but if there is, it's invisible to me). Proposed solution: Focused window should have a significantly darker titlebar, maybe even a completely different color. I personally don't care what it looks like (i.e. a designer should find something pretty) as long as the visual distinction is clear. 2) eclipse.png[2] - Eclipse with the package explorer and toolbar visible. Look at all that white space! I'm pretty sure this is a desktop theme issue and not an SWT issue because if I use the linked theme (eclipse-gtkrc[3]) as part of the GTK2_RC_FILES variable, I get the results from eclipse2.png[4] which is not perfect, but a *lot* better. So maybe it's a GTK3/GTK2 issue, but either way, from a user's perspective it still doesn't work properly. For reference, see webstorm.png[5] (ignore the broken kerning, I assume that's just Swing sucking). Since Swing (I assume what's what WebStorm/IntelliJ use) completely ignore the system theme (yay) it's a great comparison. Personally, this is what I'd like to see my whole system look like, except the native window title which is still gigantic. Proposed solution: Tighten up white space all over the place. Toolbar buttons, tabs, tree items, window titlebar, and all the other widgets that I didn't happen to capture. I think it would still be visually appealing (go look at a Mac, it's pretty dense and still pretty). What do you think? -Adam Batkin [1] http://i.imgur.com/hQmfjoP.png [2] http://i.imgur.com/xYR9GxV.png [3] http://i.imgur.com/15JqHga.png [4] http://i.imgur.com/SOKXmI4.png [5] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/abatkin/dotfiles/master/files/eclipse-gtk…

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Another workstation question: Anaconda user creation
by Elad Alfassa 18 Aug '14

18 Aug '14

Hi, quick question I'd like to see some discussion about: Anaconda allows setting a password to the root user, or to create a normal user during the installation. I think that we should hide the option to create a normal user (for the workstation image only), since we already do this in gnome-initial-setup where it makes more sense. What do you think? -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Fedora 21 Workstation nightly compose is still failing
by Elad Alfassa 17 Aug '14

17 Aug '14

Hi all. Does anyone know the status of the nightly compose of Fedora 21 workstation? The builds have been failing for a while now with errors that don't make much sense to me, and I could really use an up-to-date image to preform testing and to evaluate our default offering. Is anyone working on fixing this? Does anyone have an idea what causes this issue? Thanks. -- -Elad Alfassa.

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Multibooting UX, how well it ought to work
by Chris Murphy 16 Aug '14

16 Aug '14

This is largely directed to the WG, as a request to clarify a part of the workstation product tech spec. It relates to a thread on the anaconda list regarding os-prober, and a thread on this list regarding release criteria, both of which are referenced below. I am cross posting to the server@ list as well, while they don't have a dual-boot requirement in their spec it stands to reason the ability to dual-boot Fedora Server/CentOS/RHEL version n and n+1 could come in handy when doing migrations while still having a fall back position. Perhaps replies should drop the other cross posting since the requirements for the two products are different? But I leave up to the person replying to decide. The WorkstationTechnical Spec says: "One aspect of storage configuration that will be needed is support for dual-boot setups (preserving preexisting Windows or OS X installations), since e.g. students may be required to run software on those platforms for their coursework." 1a. Does preserve preexisting include providing a working menu entry in the boot manager (e.g. in the GRUB menu)? 1b. Or is it sufficient to just preserve the installation data — meaning it's permissible for its bootability to be either non-obvious or broken? 2. If the answer to 1a. is yes, and 1b. is no, does this dual-boot requirement apply to both BIOS and UEFI? 3. If resources cannot meet the dual-boot requirement by ship time, should the installer inform the user that their previous installation will be preserved but may not be bootable? 4. Why is the preservation of an existing Linux OS, including a previous Fedora, not explicit in the spec? Should it be? The answers to the above will help determine the scope of QA testing in this area, and avoid lengthy debate during blocker meetings. Maybe it'll provide some kick in the pants for old bugs with unimplemented solutions. Or maybe it will make it clear that the UX in this area doesn't need improvement and therefore effort testing and developing can be better spent elsewhere. So in any case, clarification will be helpful. References: "grub2, 30_os-prober, os-prober: A Proposal" https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2014-June/msg00020.html Initial very rough Workstation release criteria draft https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-June/009931.html https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=825236 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964828 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1048999 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1010704 Thanks, Chris Murphy

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When will nmtui be released on Fedora 20?
by Alex G.S. 09 Aug '14

09 Aug '14

Hello list, Recently I installed CentOS 7 on a workstation at a lab I work at and have quickly become fond of an ncurses package called NetworkManager-tui. I tried searching for this on Fedora 20 and yum reports the package cannot be found. The package is in Fedora Rawhide, but installing it that way would require updating nearly the entire distribution and it's not worth it. [1] https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/7/ht… 1. Will this package be released on Fedora 20? Is this going to be a Fedora 21 only release? If you are going to release it on Fedora 20 when? 2. Is there a way I could use Docker to install this and let it manage my network connections on my host from a container? 3. Is Fedora 21 stable enough that I should just upgrade and not worry about it? Also, wanted to reach out and say that CentOS 7 is the best distribution I've ever used and I'm counting down the days to the Fedora 21 release. Best, Alex GS

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updated gartner report on PC shipments
by Matthew Miller 06 Aug '14

06 Aug '14

The 305million you're quoting comes from last year's Gartner report, where they give that big number, but it's down 10% from the prior year and they predicted another 10% fall for this year. But check out this updated report from last month: <http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2791017> Here, they break out traditional PCs from "ultramobiles and premium", and the traditional PC is falling but the latter category is on the rise. They follow this up with <http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2793921>, which is were I think we find the great new quote: The PC market's installed based has been declining as buyers switched to tablets and smartphones for entertainment and social media consumption. The 2Q14 results suggest that the consumer installed base restructuring peaked during 2013. We are seeing a slowdown in premium tablet sales, which have already penetrated a large number of households. PCs are now growing off a smaller installed base of newer devices, with more engaged users. I think it's the "smaller installed base of more engaged users" is what's really exciting for us. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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fedora.next joint session at flock
by Matthew Miller 02 Aug '14

02 Aug '14

Sorry, this isn't last minute yet, is it? :) Earlier this year at DevConf, we did a session on Fedora.next, with an overview presentation followed by a 3 minute report from each WG, and a panel discussion. We're aiming to do this again at Flock, with a big joint session on Friday. Josh, you represented Workstation at DevConf -- do you want to do the updated version? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Enable "Solarized" color schemes by default for Workstation
by Ryan Lerch 01 Aug '14

01 Aug '14

I recently blogged on the Fedora Magazine about the awesome addition of the Solarized colour schemes in GEdit and GNOME-terminal in workstation [1]. And a commenter on that post asked the question: why not make it default? Since terminal ships with the dark GTK theme turned on, we could set the default color scheme there to Solarized Dark, and for gedit (that uses the light GTK theme by default), enable Solarized Light by default. cheers, ryanlerch [1] - http://fedoramagazine.org/fedora-21-will-feature-solarized-color-schemes-in…

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