On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 15:01 -0500, xiphmont@xiph.org wrote:
My gods. Do not pass start. Do not collect $200. Hint, see
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230006
and come back when you understand the implications. Thanks.
You're asking the world to upgrade to benefit your pet project or be
^^^
How nice.
left behind. The chances of that working out are not high.
No, we're just fixing past design mistakes to make the Linux desktop be true multi-user (again). In some circles it's called progress; looking forward and doing new exciting things. If such things happen to be useful, hey, more power to the Linux desktop.
It's because I live in this century and don't use OSS myself.
And yet you feel justified to dismiss it. I don't use the desktop much myself, so it must be unimportant.
I'm not dismissing OSS; there are, at least two mechanisms to support it; let me repeat
- LD_PRELOAD (widely used by LTSP) - emulation devices
Let me repeat again: both are ugly as hell because OSS is ugly as hell.
Whether we as a distro want to keep compat for these around in the *default* install is a separate issue and up to the Fedora project at large. I don't really care and I'm sure people who have a better idea of our user base does. It could go in a compat-oss package for all I care. For the record we have other compat* packages that you need to use antiquated interfaces.
Replace OSS with ALSA; the point still stands and perhaps you can identify more with it.
No, it's fine, apps use libasound and there's a plug-in for Pulse.
Say 'ESD' in a room full of Linux users five years ago, and the first thing anyone thought was 'Oh, it's that thing I have to kill so all my sounds apps will work again'. If we repeat that mistake with PA, PA will also become reviled.
I don't understand this. OSS compat is possible through two mechanisms already. Plus I have a lot of faith in the PA developers not to screw up.
Of course, we wouldn't enable such things by default because we don't have OSS apps in the default install. Perhaps enterprise distros that care about old crap would.
Fine. Do we ship any ALSA apps? I think we might.
No, it's fine, apps use libasound and there's a plug-in for Pulse.
David