On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened?
At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it).
piglet:~% uname -a Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at metacity-2.8.6-2 piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg)
I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 ( FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows. They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint urgent to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ).
Cheers, Eric
Otto J. Makela wrote:
On basic Fedora Core 3 gnome (using the Metacity window damager), and traditional focus-follows-mouse, how does one prevent the focus from changing when a new window is opened?
At least for me, the principle of least astonishment is continuously broken when a newly opened window grabs the focus from right under my mouse pointer (and I need to move the pointer out of my window and then back in to regain it).
piglet:~% uname -a Linux piglet.otto.net 2.6.10-1.770_FC3smp #1 SMP Thu Feb 24 14:20:06 EST 2005 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux piglet:~% rpm -q xorg-x11 metacity xorg-x11-6.8.2-1.FC3.13_2.rhfc3.at metacity-2.8.6-2 piglet:~% cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg)
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
I could be wrong, but I believe that was fixed with gnome 2.10 ( FC4t1+). Metacity/gnome now does not preempt focus on new windows. They are also working on a theme friendly was for the window hint urgent to be seen by the user ( please no bouncing icons ).
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
Thanks
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
Thanks
--behdad http://behdad.org/
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
Thanks
--behdad http://behdad.org/
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
Thanks
--behdad http://behdad.org/
Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would be generated.
Kyrre
On 4/15/05, Kyrre Ness Sjobak kyrre@solution-forge.net wrote:
fre, 15.04.2005 kl. 20.38 skrev Behdad Esfahbod:
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Colin Charles wrote:
On Tue, 2005-04-12 at 22:06 -0400, Eric Warnke wrote:
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
Exactly. I have to keep polling the GAIM window... Not only that, when I click on a PDF file in a browser, it takes a while to figure out why *nothing is happening*. Well, because the PDF viewer is opened in the background... I can only hope FC4 doesn't ship with this setting. Any chance to do that?
Thanks
--behdad http://behdad.org/
Perhaps the best way to do it, would be to have an API call which told metacity to never let anything take focus from it. So that pasword dialogs etc. wouldn't suffer todays problems, and no new problems would be generated.
Kyrre
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My solution to this problem has been to install the guifications plugin at http://guifications.sourceforge.net/ . It just raises a small window on your screen for certain events. You can then click on it to go over to that IM, or right click for more options.. It gives you the security of windows stealing focus when you are typing, and notification when events happen in gaim. I am using the Clearlooks theme which blends in quite nicely with gnome 2.10.
Jon
On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 14:39 +1000, Colin Charles wrote:.
Yes, "fixed" with GNOME 2.10
Now, how do I revert it back to the old behaviour, because I find not getting my GAIM messages pop-up to be something that negates productivity
So you want a toggle switch so users can choose suboptimal behavior A or suboptimal behavior B?
While sometimes we need to settle for that, it's not the default solution.
In this case I think something like this will fix it: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120439
I would like to see this done and backported to our 2.10 libwnck package.
or something like this thing someone mentioned is another option: http://guifications.sourceforge.net/Guifications/
Or even simpler, gaim could be hacked to always grab focus or have an option for same, though I wouldn't advocate that.
If these 3 things were hard to implement maybe we'd want a stopgap solution, but any or all of these fixes could be completed in a matter of a couple days. (so hint hint, someone should just do it, there's no point having a big mailing list argument ;-)
Havoc
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