Hi
Short proposal:
Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time.
Longer Story:
For context,
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-August/msg00660.html
A proposal has been made at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoMTA
That is going to go through FESCo and since it is past feature freeze, I think it makes sense for now to use ssmtp in the desktop kickstart file and drop sendmail. Will Woods confirmed that it wouldn't really break anything. Note that ssmtp doesn't queue mails but I don't think any mails send by cron is going to be either visible or useful for the desktop user.
When I was maintaining the Xfce spin, we did replace sendmail with ssmtp
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora...
It's been a few releases since.
LXDE spin is doing the same thing as well
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora...
Can the desktop team consider this?
Rahul
2009/8/27 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time.
Please, please, do this for F12. There's just no point in an MTA for most of the desktop use cases.
Richard.
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 17:34 +0100 schrieb Richard Hughes:
2009/8/27 Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org:
Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time.
Please, please, do this for F12. There's just no point in an MTA for most of the desktop use cases.
Keep in mind that we need to also remove logwatch and all other cron jobs that rely on an installed MTA if we make this change.
Richard.
Regards, Christoph
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Rahul Sundaramsundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi
Short proposal:
Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time.
[...]
That is going to go through FESCo and since it is past feature freeze, I think it makes sense for now to use ssmtp in the desktop kickstart file and drop sendmail.
Using ssmtp is not the same as "NoMTA", but it seems reasonable as an incremental step towards doing so.
Can someone refresh my memory on what ssmtp will do if a user adds a custom cronjob? ssmtp without a configured host will be /dev/null?
Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
That is going to go through FESCo and since it is past feature freeze, I think it makes sense for now to use ssmtp in the desktop kickstart file and drop sendmail.
Using ssmtp is not the same as "NoMTA", but it seems reasonable as an incremental step towards doing so.
Can someone refresh my memory on what ssmtp will do if a user adds a custom cronjob? ssmtp without a configured host will be /dev/null?
Pretty sure, yes.
Bill
On 08/27/2009 10:12 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Rahul Sundaramsundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi
Short proposal:
Sendmail is a daemon enabled by default forever and ever but it doesn't make much sense for the desktop and we should remove it for Fedora 12. This will save disk space and reduce startup time.
[...]
That is going to go through FESCo and since it is past feature freeze, I think it makes sense for now to use ssmtp in the desktop kickstart file and drop sendmail.
Using ssmtp is not the same as "NoMTA", but it seems reasonable as an incremental step towards doing so.
So, is anyone opposed to this? Can I do it?
Rahul
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