Hey,
Before the end of year holidays, Allan and I went to Brno to meet up with the ABRT team, in order to see what could be done to integrate ABRT and gnome-abrt better into Fedora Workstation, and into GNOME.
We now have a number of TODO items, which can be worked on incrementally, which I will list below.
- ABRT: - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/milestones/Fedora%2022 - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/891 - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/887 - gnome-abrt: - https://github.com/abrt/gnome-abrt/issues - GNOME: - https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=742375 - Retrace server: - Make it possible to filter by Fedora product (Workstation, Server, Cloud) - Longer-term: - Using gnome-abrt for better SELinux notifications - "Merge" local and remote retracing into one: - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/832 - Look into privacy policies (what happens when Fedora contributors start leaking information about a user's choice of documents in a bug report?)
Allan will be working on finalising the gnome-abrt mockups so that Jakub Filak can work on the gnome-abrt issues. He will also be documenting common workflows between server and desktop to share with the ABRT and Cockpit teams.
I'll be working on the GNOME Settings part of the equation in a couple of days, and will likely shift to ABRT or gnome-abrt issues further down the line.
Cheers
On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 11:20 -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Hey,
Before the end of year holidays, Allan and I went to Brno to meet up with the ABRT team, in order to see what could be done to integrate ABRT and gnome-abrt better into Fedora Workstation, and into GNOME.
We now have a number of TODO items, which can be worked on incrementally, which I will list below.
- ABRT:
- gnome-abrt:
- GNOME:
- Retrace server:
- Make it possible to filter by Fedora product (Workstation, Server, Cloud)
- Longer-term:
- Using gnome-abrt for better SELinux notifications
- "Merge" local and remote retracing into one:
- https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/832
- Look into privacy policies (what happens when Fedora contributors start leaking information about a user's choice of documents in a bug report?)
Allan will be working on finalising the gnome-abrt mockups so that Jakub Filak can work on the gnome-abrt issues. He will also be documenting common workflows between server and desktop to share with the ABRT and Cockpit teams.
I'll be working on the GNOME Settings part of the equation in a couple of days, and will likely shift to ABRT or gnome-abrt issues further down the line.
Hey, thanks for this information. I've added some of it to the workstation task list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Tasklist#abrt
Feel free to embellish that with more details, and correct my mistakes.
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
It doesn't appear there's any clause there about collection of data for e.g. the retrace server; the policy concentrates on personal information, defined as information that can be used to identify or describe an individual. Is the intention to link ABRT submissions to people submitting?
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On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
It doesn't appear there's any clause there about collection of data for e.g. the retrace server; the policy concentrates on personal information, defined as information that can be used to identify or describe an individual. Is the intention to link ABRT submissions to people submitting?
No, as the mockups show[1] the "retrace" reporting is supposed to be anonymous.
[1]: At the bottom of: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-mockups/master/sys...
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
As was mentioned in #fedora-workstation yesterday, it seems that this policy is for Fedora the project and not Fedora the thing you install. These are two very different things, and the information collected from each is also very different.
And I've filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182635 about getting a URL added to /etc/os-release now that systemd supports it.
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Tue, 2015-01-13 at 15:17 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
As was mentioned in #fedora-workstation yesterday, it seems that this policy is for Fedora the project and not Fedora the thing you install. These are two very different things, and the information collected from each is also very different.
-- -Elad Alfassa.
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:41:30AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
As was mentioned in #fedora-workstation yesterday, it seems that this policy is for Fedora the project and not Fedora the thing you install. These are two very different things, and the information collected from each is also very different.
And I've filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182635 about getting a URL added to /etc/os-release now that systemd supports it.
So is that URL meant to cover only ABRT, or everything Fedora ships for which we are also the upstream?
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:41:30AM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 04:00:32PM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I've also sent a mail to legal@fedoraproject.org now, asking about the privacy policy to link to.
For reference of the list, the current privacy policy is located here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:PrivacyPolicy
As was mentioned in #fedora-workstation yesterday, it seems that this policy is for Fedora the project and not Fedora the thing you install. These are two very different things, and the information collected from each is also very different.
And I've filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1182635 about getting a URL added to /etc/os-release now that systemd supports it.
So is that URL meant to cover only ABRT, or everything Fedora ships for which we are also the upstream?
Hopefully it would list everything that the users might send to Fedora. For example, it would link to the privacy policies for the retrace server, for the Mozilla services we use for geolocation, for the various services offered by default in gnome-online-accounts, for the software statistics, etc.
Hey,
A small update on this.
----- Original Message -----
Hey,
Before the end of year holidays, Allan and I went to Brno to meet up with the ABRT team, in order to see what could be done to integrate ABRT and gnome-abrt better into Fedora Workstation, and into GNOME.
We now have a number of TODO items, which can be worked on incrementally, which I will list below.
Those last 2 bugs have been fixed.
- gnome-abrt:
Some headway was made, but we're currently blocking on a few architectural problems.
This has been merged into control-center-3.15.90, soon in Fedora 22 and rawhide.
Note that the current privacy policy linked doesn't cover the uReport server, the retrace server, or Bugzilla.
- Retrace server:
- Make it possible to filter by Fedora product (Workstation, Server, Cloud)
- Longer-term:
- Using gnome-abrt for better SELinux notifications
- "Merge" local and remote retracing into one:
- https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/832
- Look into privacy policies (what happens when Fedora contributors start leaking information about a user's choice of documents in a bug report?)
Allan will be working on finalising the gnome-abrt mockups so that Jakub Filak can work on the gnome-abrt issues. He will also be documenting common workflows between server and desktop to share with the ABRT and Cockpit teams.
I'll be working on the GNOME Settings part of the equation in a couple of days, and will likely shift to ABRT or gnome-abrt issues further down the line.
I'm currently blocked on the way to handle bug reports for non-admin users, in particular, when admins are also logged in.
There are also a number of architectural problems in abrtd: - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/917 - https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/916
For abrt-applet, we currently cannot accurately detect which application crashed to offer to relaunch it, though we attempt to, or whether that application is running again now.
I'm also unclear on how bugs need to be auto-reported if abrt-applet wasn't running. It seems easier longer term to move the notification directly in gnome-abrt.
Cheers
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