On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 00:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Nov 21, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Is this intentional? I installed from Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-21_TC2.iso and post install dnf isn't present.
Yes, yum is still the default in F21. The plan is to switch to dnf in F22.
I realize that but on Workstation both yum and dnf are installed in a default installation. In comparison it seems like it's missing on Server. Maybe it's superfluous on Workstation, but as a transitional release before the official switch I think it's a good idea to have both. Encourage more widespread testing, simply because it's already installed, while being able to fallback to yum when there's breakage. If F22 is the overlap release, then nevermind. But if we'd default to dnf *and* not install yum for F22, that seems like quitting yum cold turkey.
I'm CCing the Workstation list here. I'm actually not sure that inclusion of DNF on Workstation is intentional.
That being said, I doubt that having DNF installed by default would change the amount of testing it gets. Anyone who actually knows that it exists is fully capable of running 'yum install dnf' (and if they don't know how to do that, they're *probably* not going to be a terribly effective tester of DNF).
I wouldn't call it "quitting yum cold turkey", either. Even when we make the switch to DNF-by-default, yum is going to remain in the repository (though on life-support, not actively developed). So it's still there for people to fall back on if DNF truly can't meet their needs.
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Sat, 2014-11-22 at 00:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
On Nov 21, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Chris Murphy lists@colorremedies.com wrote:
Is this intentional? I installed from Fedora-Server-netinst-x86_64-21_TC2.iso and post install dnf isn't present.
Yes, yum is still the default in F21. The plan is to switch to dnf in F22.
I realize that but on Workstation both yum and dnf are installed in a default installation. In comparison it seems like it's missing on Server. Maybe it's superfluous on Workstation, but as a transitional release before the official switch I think it's a good idea to have both. Encourage more widespread testing, simply because it's already installed, while being able to fallback to yum when there's breakage. If F22 is the overlap release, then nevermind. But if we'd default to dnf *and* not install yum for F22, that seems like quitting yum cold turkey.
I'm CCing the Workstation list here. I'm actually not sure that inclusion of DNF on Workstation is intentional.
It is intentional. It's required for the COPR plugin we install by default.
josh
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