On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
See attached.
[Assuming you've read and understood the patch]
I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has no minimizations for size. The diff here turns out to be relatively small. A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found, but not this cycle.
But we need to go over this diff, there are a few things that stand out:
+desktop-backgrounds-basic
Can someone familiar with backgrounds fill me in?
+smartmontools
Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I think we should kick this out of @base and into @traditional-unix-server. But since that comps group doesn't exist, for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks.
+specspo
Is this maintained/useful?
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
+krb5-auth-dialog
This should really only be running if you actually have a kerberos ticket. Needs a patch for gnome-session. I'll look at this.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
See attached.
[Assuming you've read and understood the patch]
I'm doing a compose now of the new fedora-live-desktop.ks, which has no minimizations for size. The diff here turns out to be relatively small. A lot of random Unix utilities, the vast majority of which we should basically kick out in favor of PackageKit-command-not-found, but not this cycle.
Update: New size is:
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 946864128 2010-03-23 11:02 livecd-fedora-live-desktop-201003231038.iso
Which doesn't leave a lot of room for a persistent overlay on a 1GB USB key. I'll dive into this. It's probably worth staying under 900MB.
I'm also working on a desktop image that fits in a CD, with much more extreme minimization.
Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
+smartmontools
Since this is another send-mail-to-root-that's-never-seen subsystem, I think we should kick this out of @base and into @traditional-unix-server. But since that comps group doesn't exist, for now I will explicitly exclude it in -desktop.ks.
GDU is doing these sorts of notifications for the desktop, right?
+specspo
Is this maintained/useful?
No, and not really, in order.
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is handled by the automatic print driver installation.
+acpid
This is pointless on GNOME/KDE desktops.
+samba-client
Is this really needed in the desktop with gvfs/gnome-vfs SMB support?
+system-config-boot +system-config-language +system-config-lvm +system-config-network +system-config-services
boot, network, and lvm can likely be removed.
Bill
On 23 March 2010 15:39, Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com wrote:
+samba-client
Is this really needed in the desktop with gvfs/gnome-vfs SMB support?
samba-client is needed by cups to print to Windows network shared printers which are quite common in several work places IME.
Rui
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:39:50AM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Colin Walters (walters@verbum.org) said:
+hplip
Someone who knows about printing; is this included in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutomaticPrintDriverInstallation ?
According to the maintainer, no. hplip contains fax support, command line tools, and other enhancements. The drivers themselves are in hpijs, which is handled by the automatic print driver installation.
Are there ways to handle configuring HP wifi printers other than hp-wificonfig in that package?
Hi! As I'm using Fedora really a lot, I don't like these to be removed. I like Fedora for the plenty of useful tools, so I don't need to dig into system internals in order to make some necessary settings. I change the services often, and use system-config-network as the Network Manager is really unstable and has a lot of bugs. I suppose that for user friendlines, there have to be as much configuration tools as possible to make the system to work properly (for example, what the use of Office packages if the default ON services eat lots of CPU?). Personaly I tune the system a lot, so I'd like to have the tools to do this.
+-alacarte +-system-config-boot +-system-config-language +-system-config-lvm +-system-config-network +-system-config-rootpassword +-system-config-services
Best regards.
On 23 March 2010 16:45, Colin Walters walters@verbum.org wrote:
See attached.
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On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
See attached.
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
Could you please also update the Makefile.am?
-- Jeroen
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
See attached.
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
Well I don't like the "dvd" terminology because then it gets really confusing with the Standalone Anaconda DVD. I settled on just "live".
However I've renamed fedora-live-desktop-cd.ks back to fedora-livecd-desktop.ks which actually makes things less confusing.
Basically, now:
fedora-live-desktop.ks - Default desktop image, currently targeting < 1G fedora-livecd-desktop.ks - At least Firefox, Anaconda, Palimpsest, then other things as we can fit them. Turning an install of this into default desktop is now simply "yum install @gnome-desktop".
Could you please also update the Makefile.am?
Done, thanks!
On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 13:29 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwen kanarip@kanarip.com wrote:
On 03/23/2010 03:45 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
See attached.
I think the non-cd.ks (fedora-live-desktop.ks) is supposed to be called fedora-livedvd-desktop.ks?
Well I don't like the "dvd" terminology because then it gets really confusing with the Standalone Anaconda DVD. I settled on just "live".
Also, it's probably going to get written to more USB sticks than DVDs...
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