Since the bluecurve theme was updated with the new window controls, they've never quite felt right to me. At first, the smaller size bothered me, but Garrett addressed these issues and after using it for a while, the size doesn't really bother me anymore.
It occurred to me the other day that part of what bothers me is the soft color scheme. They don't look clickable like all other GTK buttons do, and I think it's because they aren't the matching bluecurve "metal/chrome".
I've done a quick mockup to show the bluecurve window controls as chrome, rather than the blue-ish versions in there now: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_experiment.png
The trouble is, it's a little more utilitarian looking - though I do think the controls look more clickable. Thoughts, comments, and criticism are all encouraged.
Also, for reference, here's a screenshot showing the bluecurve classic, current bluecurve, and my mockup controls all together: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_windowcontrols_compare.png
Thanks, Steven Garrity
Good point, the one thing that I was disappointed about with FC1 was these ugly new window controls. The different colour does not make a change imho. Please, bring back the RH9 style window controls, at least as an option!
regards Andre
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 17:26, Steven Garrity wrote:
Since the bluecurve theme was updated with the new window controls, they've never quite felt right to me. At first, the smaller size bothered me, but Garrett addressed these issues and after using it for a while, the size doesn't really bother me anymore.
It occurred to me the other day that part of what bothers me is the soft color scheme. They don't look clickable like all other GTK buttons do, and I think it's because they aren't the matching bluecurve "metal/chrome".
I've done a quick mockup to show the bluecurve window controls as chrome, rather than the blue-ish versions in there now: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_experiment.png
The trouble is, it's a little more utilitarian looking - though I do think the controls look more clickable. Thoughts, comments, and criticism are all encouraged.
Also, for reference, here's a screenshot showing the bluecurve classic, current bluecurve, and my mockup controls all together: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_windowcontrols_compare.png
Thanks, Steven Garrity
Andre Meyer wrote:
Good point, the one thing that I was disappointed about with FC1 was these ugly new window controls. The different colour does not make a change imho. Please, bring back the RH9 style window controls, at least as an option!
Andre - I did not intend to imply that the window controls are "ugly". In fact, I think they look quite nice. I'm just trying to experiment with ways to improve them.
Also, the RH9 window controls ARE available as an option. Go to the Theme Preferences, click "Theme Details", go to the "Window Controls" tab, and choose Bluecurve-Classic. There you go - you're back in RedHat 9.
Steven Garrity
Well, I DO think they are very ugly. Anyway, thanks for the hint, I feel much better now, finally ;-) The Bluecurve Classic window controls are very nice! BTW I do love Bluecurve for the rest and want to thank the team around Havoc for this impressing interface.
regards Andre
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 18:57, Steven Garrity wrote:
Andre Meyer wrote:
Good point, the one thing that I was disappointed about with FC1 was these ugly new window controls. The different colour does not make a change imho. Please, bring back the RH9 style window controls, at least as an option!
Andre - I did not intend to imply that the window controls are "ugly". In fact, I think they look quite nice. I'm just trying to experiment with ways to improve them.
Also, the RH9 window controls ARE available as an option. Go to the Theme Preferences, click "Theme Details", go to the "Window Controls" tab, and choose Bluecurve-Classic. There you go - you're back in RedHat 9.
Steven Garrity
On Jan 8, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Andre Meyer wrote:
Well, I DO think they are very ugly. Anyway, thanks for the hint, I feel much better now, finally ;-) The Bluecurve Classic window controls are very nice! BTW I do love Bluecurve for the rest and want to thank the team around Havoc for this impressing interface.
Thanks! (except for the ugly part, but everyone has their own opinion, which is fine)
I included the Bluecurve Classic theme as I figured that my changes in the newer Bluecurve design were a bit of a jump (larger than the 8 to 9 changes) and figured that a few people might probably like the older, larger-button theme better.
Garrett
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
http://occy.net/threads.phtml?sid=410 <-- download my "hack" of Bluecurve that never was fully completed. Sure wish:
a.) The final version would be in FC2 and.... b.) Garrett would do the final version of Bluesquared soon. :)
I do like my "3 lines" menu-drop-down button thing better than the down arrow. It sort of looks like a list of items, which is what you get when you click on said button.
Trae
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 18:16, Garrett LeSage wrote:
On Jan 8, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Andre Meyer wrote:
Well, I DO think they are very ugly. Anyway, thanks for the hint, I feel much better now, finally ;-) The Bluecurve Classic window controls are very nice! BTW I do love Bluecurve for the rest and want to thank the team around Havoc for this impressing interface.
Thanks! (except for the ugly part, but everyone has their own opinion, which is fine)
I included the Bluecurve Classic theme as I figured that my changes in the newer Bluecurve design were a bit of a jump (larger than the 8 to 9 changes) and figured that a few people might probably like the older, larger-button theme better.
Garrett
Quoting Trae McCombs occy@occy.net:
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
Trae, While what you have here is certainly well executed, I don't think it addresses the original reasons for the redesign of the Bluecurve window controls. If I may have a go at paraphrasing, I understand the new controls were intented to preserve the over-all shape and outline of the window.
Also, your square version of the bluecurve controls still (I think) suffers from my criticism at the origin of this thread, that the controls don't look as much like UI elements (chrome/metal) as I think they should.
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd love to see subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons, tabs, pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's worthwhile.
Steven Garrity
Steven Garrity (that's me) wrote:
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd
love to see
subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons,
tabs,
pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's
worthwhile.
Here's a quick mockup of some controls with rounded edges (rather than square edges). I just hacked up a screenshot of a preferences window in Totem for the example:
http://actsofvolition.com/images/rounded_bluecurve_controls.png
Comments?
Steven Garrity
Steven Garrity wrote:
Steven Garrity (that's me) wrote:
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd
love to see
subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons,
tabs,
pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's
worthwhile.
Here's a quick mockup of some controls with rounded edges (rather than square edges). I just hacked up a screenshot of a preferences window in Totem for the example:
http://actsofvolition.com/images/rounded_bluecurve_controls.png
Comments?
Steven Garrity
yes, i believe rounded edges are a generell trend operating systems look... M.
http://occy.net/tmp/bs.png <--- THIS is what the end-result is supposed to look like. I can't seem to finish up the final touches, that's why what I have is in limbo and NOT a finished product. :) I don't know enough about metacity themes to complete it. :(
I didn't know why exactly I wanted the squared off versions and now I think I do. Now I want it to be squared off so that it better matches the GTK Bluecurve theme. While you guys want the gtk theme curved, I simply want a squared version of the metacity theme.
So anyway, to finish things up should be easy for someone that knows about metacity themes. If someone wants to make my day... feel free to finish up the "Bluesquared" theme. :)
Trae
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 21:31, stevelist@silverorange.com wrote:
Quoting Trae McCombs occy@occy.net:
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
Trae, While what you have here is certainly well executed, I don't think it addresses the original reasons for the redesign of the Bluecurve window controls. If I may have a go at paraphrasing, I understand the new controls were intented to preserve the over-all shape and outline of the window.
Also, your square version of the bluecurve controls still (I think) suffers from my criticism at the origin of this thread, that the controls don't look as much like UI elements (chrome/metal) as I think they should.
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd love to see subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons, tabs, pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's worthwhile.
Steven Garrity
Hi Trae,
Yes, I still prefer the curved version. But honestly I guess Gnome should offer curved and square versions inside one theme. Multiple themes make more people happy than just one. Etc. Freedom of choice is what makes Linux strong.
Best regards, Marky
Trae McCombs wrote:
http://occy.net/tmp/bs.png <--- THIS is what the end-result is supposed to look like. I can't seem to finish up the final touches, that's why what I have is in limbo and NOT a finished product. :) I don't know enough about metacity themes to complete it. :(
I didn't know why exactly I wanted the squared off versions and now I think I do. Now I want it to be squared off so that it better matches the GTK Bluecurve theme. While you guys want the gtk theme curved, I simply want a squared version of the metacity theme.
So anyway, to finish things up should be easy for someone that knows about metacity themes. If someone wants to make my day... feel free to finish up the "Bluesquared" theme. :)
Trae
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 21:31, stevelist@silverorange.com wrote:
Quoting Trae McCombs occy@occy.net:
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
Trae, While what you have here is certainly well executed, I don't think it addresses the original reasons for the redesign of the Bluecurve window controls. If I may have a go at paraphrasing, I understand the new controls were intented to preserve the over-all shape and outline of the window.
Also, your square version of the bluecurve controls still (I think) suffers from my criticism at the origin of this thread, that the controls don't look as much like UI elements (chrome/metal) as I think they should.
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd love to see subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons, tabs, pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's worthwhile.
Steven Garrity
By the way, about the trends in "common sense" again... I believe the general trend ("fashion") is curves, round edges, shadows, 3d, animations, consistency, simplicity and transparency... where it does cover also usefullness. those features should not be used in useless way...
greets, marky
Marky Goldstein wrote:
Hi Trae,
Yes, I still prefer the curved version. But honestly I guess Gnome should offer curved and square versions inside one theme. Multiple themes make more people happy than just one. Etc. Freedom of choice is what makes Linux strong.
Best regards, Marky
Trae McCombs wrote:
http://occy.net/tmp/bs.png <--- THIS is what the end-result is supposed to look like. I can't seem to finish up the final touches, that's why what I have is in limbo and NOT a finished product. :) I don't know enough about metacity themes to complete it. :(
I didn't know why exactly I wanted the squared off versions and now I think I do. Now I want it to be squared off so that it better matches the GTK Bluecurve theme. While you guys want the gtk theme curved, I simply want a squared version of the metacity theme.
So anyway, to finish things up should be easy for someone that knows about metacity themes. If someone wants to make my day... feel free to finish up the "Bluesquared" theme. :) Trae
On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 21:31, stevelist@silverorange.com wrote:
Quoting Trae McCombs occy@occy.net:
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
Trae, While what you have here is certainly well executed, I don't think it addresses the original reasons for the redesign of the Bluecurve window controls. If I may have a go at paraphrasing, I understand the new controls were intented to preserve the over-all shape and outline of the window.
Also, your square version of the bluecurve controls still (I think) suffers from my criticism at the origin of this thread, that the controls don't look as much like UI elements (chrome/metal) as I think they should.
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd love to see subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons, tabs, pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's worthwhile.
Steven Garrity
so far the milk 2.0 theme looks best. have a look. it is based on simplistic design. greets, m.
stevelist@silverorange.com wrote:
Quoting Trae McCombs occy@occy.net:
Is this where I am supposed to complain that we need to have "Bluesquared" as an optional theme? (and completed ;)
Trae, While what you have here is certainly well executed, I don't think it addresses the original reasons for the redesign of the Bluecurve window controls. If I may have a go at paraphrasing, I understand the new controls were intented to preserve the over-all shape and outline of the window.
Also, your square version of the bluecurve controls still (I think) suffers from my criticism at the origin of this thread, that the controls don't look as much like UI elements (chrome/metal) as I think they should.
If anything, I'd like to see more "curve" and less "blue" :-) I'd love to see subtle rounded corners on all the currently square controls (buttons, tabs, pull-downs, etc. Perhaps I'll try to mock that up to see if it's worthwhile.
Steven Garrity
I've done a quick mockup to show the bluecurve window controls as chrome, rather than the blue-ish versions in there now: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_experiment.png
The trouble is, it's a little more utilitarian looking - though I do think the controls look more clickable. Thoughts, comments, and criticism are all encouraged.
Hi Steven !
I have modified your mockup a little bit: I have replaced the blue-ish background behind the controls by a grey-ish one.
I think it's nicer that way. What do you think ?
Here is the mockup: http://www.toufle.net/julien/mockup.png
Julien Olivier wrote:
I've done a quick mockup to show the bluecurve window controls as chrome, rather than the blue-ish versions in there now: http://actsofvolition.com/images/bluecurve_experiment.png
The trouble is, it's a little more utilitarian looking - though I do think the controls look more clickable. Thoughts, comments, and criticism are all encouraged.
Hi Steven !
I have modified your mockup a little bit: I have replaced the blue-ish background behind the controls by a grey-ish one.
I think it's nicer that way. What do you think ?
Here is the mockup: http://www.toufle.net/julien/mockup.png
Hi,
Yes, that is an improvement!
Greets, Marky
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