Hi,
A quick report on the current delta between F-12 and F-13's CD (generated by my just-committed script http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/spin-kickstarts.git?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=... )
Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps: + "shotwell 2582122 + "gnome-color-manager 3079621 + "sssd 4135276 + "seahorse 7142974 + "planner 6285529
There's a lot of added packages here, which I think is at least partly due to the comps unification work.
Removed:
- "gnupg 5073185 - "rhino 826258 - "abiword 15361 - "libabiword 24396251 - "java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096
The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the desktop, shrunk to fit.
And finally the biggest winners in terms of package size growth:
= "kernel 2667526 = "empathy 2979990 = "libgweather 3184637 = "mesa-dri-drivers 21609392
The full report is attached.
On 04/09/2010 08:58 AM, Colin Walters wrote:
Some highlights are that we added some OS components and apps:
- "shotwell 2582122
- "gnome-color-manager 3079621
- "sssd 4135276
- "seahorse 7142974
- "planner 6285529
Removed:
- "gnupg 5073185
- "rhino 826258
- "abiword 15361
- "libabiword 24396251
- "java-1.6.0-openjdk 84493096
The Abiword removal was due to the goal that the CD is just the desktop, shrunk to fit.
How does it make sense to remove Abiword and add Planner? I assume a project management tool is much less used than a word processor.
Rahul
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Rahul Sundaram metherid@gmail.com wrote:
How does it make sense to remove Abiword and add Planner? I assume a project management tool is much less used than a word processor.
Good question! So the story on this is that we have 3 different desktops:
* LiveCD install * DVD/kickstart * Upgrade from F-(x-1)
The goal is to reduce the delta between these and get to the point where we really have one default install, which might be subject to constraints based on space. Upgrades currently don't reflect removals or comps additions for example. There were additions to the LiveCD that weren't in the DVD/kickstart install such as Abiword.
The LiveCD is operating on the assumption that you have an internet connection, you just want to download something relatively small to get started, and can install new apps afterwards, whether that's Abiword, OpenOffice, or whatever else.
Now, I understand the desire to pack the LiveCD with as much Free Software as we can fit in the space constraints. However, we have to balance this with creating different desktop experiences. This said, I wouldn't really have a problem with adding Abiword back on the CD. The far bigger problem in my mind in terms of comps unification was the random removals that weren't for space reasons (acpid, nfs-utils). For that kind of thing we need to be fixing the base operating system.
On 04/09/2010 07:29 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
The LiveCD is operating on the assumption that you have an internet connection, you just want to download something relatively small to get started, and can install new apps afterwards, whether that's Abiword, OpenOffice, or whatever else.
Have you looked into the experience of a user trying to install Openoffice.org? Search for office or even openoffice and you will get dozens and dozens of packages and it is going to be very hard for a user to actually figure out what to pick to get the right apps. We need to fix that problem if we are not going to include even a word processor by default.
Rahul
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