I have to admit it is not a really technical question and doesn't have much to do with development, but as the developers of gnome-shell are on this list, I'll ask my question here not only to get a reply but also to provide user feedback.
We have been at Chemnitzer Linuxtage last weekend, one of the biggest community events in Germany. The audience ranges from newbies to real geeks.
At the Fedora booth we had two Laptops to showcase the latest F15 desktop. The most asked question - regardless of beginner or advanced user - was: "Where are my files?"
So if you are in gnome-shell, how do you open a window of your home? We had 5 Fedora ambassadors there, all of them are package maintainers, we even had the German GNOME translation coordinator with us, but none of us was able to answer that question in an intuitive way. The only way we found was to use the search field. Is there no better way?
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and 'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I guess it is already to late to implement this for F15, so what are we going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
Regards, Christoph
On Sun, 2011-03-27 at 15:26 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
So if you are in gnome-shell, how do you open a window of your home? We had 5 Fedora ambassadors there, all of them are package maintainers, we even had the German GNOME translation coordinator with us, but none of us was able to answer that question in an intuitive way. The only way we found was to use the search field. Is there no better way?
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and 'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I guess it is already to late to implement this for F15, so what are we going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
Under Activities, isn't there a File Manager (nautilus)? Or are you wanting something different?
If it is there, just right click on it and Add to Favorites
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Christoph Wickert christoph.wickert@googlemail.com wrote:
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and 'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I guess it is already to late to implement this for F15,
Finding and Reminding work will be in 3.2.
so what are we going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
That's been the intent for some time, but the Fedora nautilus.spec file broke it. Fix building:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=2951377
Thanks for the reminder!
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Am 27.03.2011 15:26, schrieb Christoph Wickert:
I have to admit it is not a really technical question and doesn't have much to do with development, but as the developers of gnome-shell are on this list, I'll ask my question here not only to get a reply but also to provide user feedback.
We have been at Chemnitzer Linuxtage last weekend, one of the biggest community events in Germany. The audience ranges from newbies to real geeks.
At the Fedora booth we had two Laptops to showcase the latest F15 desktop. The most asked question - regardless of beginner or advanced user - was: "Where are my files?"
So if you are in gnome-shell, how do you open a window of your home? We had 5 Fedora ambassadors there, all of them are package maintainers, we even had the German GNOME translation coordinator with us, but none of us was able to answer that question in an intuitive way. The only way we found was to use the search field. Is there no better way?
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and 'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I guess it is already to late to implement this for F15, so what are we going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
Regards, Christoph
I noticed exactly this inconvenience as well when I started using the "new" Gnome Shell (without the bookmarks in the activities overview).
For almost all users coming to Gnome Shell it will not be the natural thing to open the file manager program to manage their files. In most desktop environments this program is pretty well hidden, and people open folders, not the file manager. Gnome2 didn't even have it in the menus as far as I can see.
It would probably be best to solve this problem upstream, but as you said, there's probably no chance of including any such enhancements in F15. Adding nautilus to the favourites seems like the best compromise.
Regards, Julian
On 03/28/2011 02:57 AM, Julian Aloofi wrote:
For almost all users coming to Gnome Shell it will not be the natural thing to open the file manager program to manage their files. In most desktop environments this program is pretty well hidden, and people open folders, not the file manager. Gnome2 didn't even have it in the menus as far as I can see.
Usually you don't need the file manager to be prominent since you can start navigating the file system right from the desktop, wither from the Computer icon or from the folder shortcuts on your desktop.
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Am 28.03.2011 11:41, schrieb Nicu Buculei:
On 03/28/2011 02:57 AM, Julian Aloofi wrote:
For almost all users coming to Gnome Shell it will not be the natural thing to open the file manager program to manage their files. In most desktop environments this program is pretty well hidden, and people open folders, not the file manager. Gnome2 didn't even have it in the menus as far as I can see.
Usually you don't need the file manager to be prominent since you can start navigating the file system right from the desktop, wither from the Computer icon or from the folder shortcuts on your desktop.
Exactly what I was trying to say. This is definitely missing now. Maybe it would be possible to bring desktop icons back until this is solved?
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Julian Aloofi julian.fedoralists@googlemail.com wrote:
Exactly what I was trying to say. This is definitely missing now. Maybe it would be possible to bring desktop icons back until this is solved?
As I already replied, for GNOME 3 to access files, you start the Files app, and it will be in the favorites list by default.
The reason it wasn't there by default was a bug, which is now fixed.
On 03/28/2011 06:24 PM, Colin Walters wrote:
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Julian Aloofi julian.fedoralists@googlemail.com wrote:
Exactly what I was trying to say. This is definitely missing now. Maybe it would be possible to bring desktop icons back until this is solved?
As I already replied, for GNOME 3 to access files, you start the Files app, and it will be in the favorites list by default.
The reason it wasn't there by default was a bug, which is now fixed.
Will it be possible to just add folders to the favourite list as opposed to the files application itself?
How is "Connect to server" and relevant bookmarks that user created being solved?
JBG
On Mon, 2011-03-28 at 18:32 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Will it be possible to just add folders to the favourite list as opposed to the files application itself?
No, this is not possible. A better integration of places and volumes in the shell is in the 3.2 roadmap though.
How is "Connect to server" and relevant bookmarks that user created being solved?
These are always available from both the file manager and using the gnome-shell search.
Cosimo
On 03/27/2011 01:26 PM, Christoph Wickert wrote:
I have to admit it is not a really technical question and doesn't have much to do with development, but as the developers of gnome-shell are on this list, I'll ask my question here not only to get a reply but also to provide user feedback.
We have been at Chemnitzer Linuxtage last weekend, one of the biggest community events in Germany. The audience ranges from newbies to real geeks.
At the Fedora booth we had two Laptops to showcase the latest F15 desktop. The most asked question - regardless of beginner or advanced user - was: "Where are my files?"
So if you are in gnome-shell, how do you open a window of your home? We had 5 Fedora ambassadors there, all of them are package maintainers, we even had the German GNOME translation coordinator with us, but none of us was able to answer that question in an intuitive way. The only way we found was to use the search field. Is there no better way?
One suggestion was to have a 'Places' tab besides 'Windows' and 'Applications' that includes the content of the old 'Places' menu. I guess it is already to late to implement this for F15, so what are we going to do? Can we at least have nautilus in the favorites?
I've had the same question thrown at me and after I pointed them out to start "Files" the first thing they tried to do was do drag the "Folders" they most used to the Favourites panel hence I think this could be solved elegantly by adding the ability to add folders to "Favourites".
JBG
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