Heya,
I was looking at the Live CDs available for F8 test2, and could find it/identify it.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Live/i...
Any hints?
Cheers
On 9/13/07, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
Heya,
I was looking at the Live CDs available for F8 test2, and could find it/identify it.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Live/i...
Any hints?
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
-jef
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 9/13/07, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
Heya,
I was looking at the Live CDs available for F8 test2, and could find it/identify it.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Live/i...
Any hints?
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
It really should be renamed to match what we call it.
Rahul
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 10:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 9/13/07, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
Heya,
I was looking at the Live CDs available for F8 test2, and could find it/identify it.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Live/i...
Any hints?
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
It really should be renamed to match what we call it.
Hence my confusion.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:53:27 +0100 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
It really should be renamed to match what we call it.
Hence my confusion.
I think this group created the confusion when they started calling it the "Desktop" Live image. From day one this was the image that Fedora wanted to put out as /THE/ Fedora image. As in if you don't want one of the special spins, this is /THE/ spin we want you to have, and we want the media to focus on, and we want to hand out at events. The premiere, spectacular, most special spin, that gets the grand name space of "Fedora Live Image". You've created confusion by referring to it as the "Desktop" image. Maybe that's because you want to create a second live image that is more experimental and not the premiere live image, and that's fine, and it does deserve a special name, but that's a different beast than what is /the/ Fedora image right now.
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 09:54 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:53:27 +0100 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
It really should be renamed to match what we call it.
Hence my confusion.
I think this group created the confusion when they started calling it the "Desktop" Live image. From day one this was the image that Fedora wanted to put out as /THE/ Fedora image. As in if you don't want one of the special spins, this is /THE/ spin we want you to have, and we want the media to focus on, and we want to hand out at events. The premiere, spectacular, most special spin, that gets the grand name space of "Fedora Live Image". You've created confusion by referring to it as the "Desktop" image. Maybe that's because you want to create a second live image that is more experimental and not the premiere live image, and that's fine, and it does deserve a special name, but that's a different beast than what is /the/ Fedora image right now.
The goal of the desktop sig is to create a live image that is optimized for desktop use. That doesn't mean "experimental". But it does mean that we want to get out of the position that we can't do changes that improve the desktop experience but may not work on an ppc64 print server.
And I don't think it serves Fedora well to have a totally generic image as /THE/ Fedora image, when most of the downloaded images will be used in a desktop scenario.
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:07:14 -0400 Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com wrote:
And I don't think it serves Fedora well to have a totally generic image as /THE/ Fedora image, when most of the downloaded images will be used in a desktop scenario.
How is it "totally generic"? We want /the/ Fedora live image to be for Desktops as this is the target audience of Live images. If we want to make a Live image for running a ppc64 print server we'll make a Live-Server image. We're trying to promote you, not hide you away in the sea of other choices...
On 9/14/07, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:53:27 +0100 Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
I thought Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso was the "desktop" live cd.
It really should be renamed to match what we call it.
Hence my confusion.
I think this group created the confusion when they started calling it the "Desktop" Live image. From day one this was the image that Fedora wanted to put out as /THE/ Fedora image. As in if you don't want one of the special spins, this is /THE/ spin we want you to have, and we want the media to focus on, and we want to hand out at events. The premiere, spectacular, most special spin, that gets the grand name space of "Fedora Live Image". You've created confusion by referring to it as the "Desktop" image. Maybe that's because you want to create a second live image that is more experimental and not the premiere live image, and that's fine, and it does deserve a special name, but that's a different beast than what is /the/ Fedora image right now.
Now I am confused. I thought we were working on a separate spin of Fedora with experimental "desktop" features and configurations. Would a name like Enhanced Desktop Spin be better? Then we could refer to it as the E.D. Spin :-)
Jon
On 9/14/07, Jesse Keating jkeating@redhat.com wrote:
I think this group created the confusion when they started calling it the "Desktop" Live image. From day one this was the image that Fedora wanted to put out as /THE/ Fedora image.
What should be on /THE/ Fedora image? The web site says:
"Fedora is a Linux-based operating system that showcases the latest in free and open source software."
You know Apache httpd is pretty important open source software, why doesn't the CD have it? Eclipse? Why not OpenOffice? The latest KDE? Saying it's the Fedora image gives us no guidelines for what it includes.
The point I'm trying to make, and that I brought up before when we were originally discussing the desktop spin, is that I believe relatively few people want to *download* a showcase. I think we should very much pimp that Fedora is built on (showcases) the latest and greatest FOSS, but in the end people want to download something to use for a specific *purpose*. And that takes different forms for different markets.
The desktop spin was supposed to be suitable as a general non-developer download, showcasing GNOME etc. The KDE spin is targeted for those people. The developer spin is for the people who want gcc and editors out of the box.
As in if you don't want one of the special spins, this is /THE/ spin we want you to have, and we want the media to focus on, and we want to hand out at events.
At events, I suggest that ideally we want to get to the point where the DVD when it boots up lets you choose which of the spins you want to install. The spins are fundamentally just a comps group + kickstart file.
If you don't want to burn a DVD, then you have to choose what to put on it. At a developer focused conference, you'd want to be handing out the developer spin.
Am Fr 14.September 2007 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
Heya,
I was looking at the Live CDs available for F8 test2, and could find it/identify it.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Live/ i686/
Any hints?
This one is the desktop livecd (with gnome): Fedora-7.91-Live-i686.iso
Sebastian
Related to this, the torrents page (being the default download page that users land on from clicking "Get Fedora") is pretty bad:
http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/
Looking at it, you have to know what FEL means, what Live means, and even if you know those, what are the tradeoffs for Developer versus the (we need to call it Desktop not just -Live), etc?
It also encourages people to download the DVD which is silly.
The "Live media" x86_64 images not fitting on a CD is confusing; we need to at least note on the page that you need a USB key.
If we rearranged this page to be around descriptions of the different spins it would be a lot clearer:
* The Fedora Desktop spin is suitable for ...[text] | [i386] [ppc] [x86_64] (note requires USB key) * The Fedora KDE spin is ...[text] | [i386] [ppc] * The Fedora Electronic lab includes... [text] | [i386]
This reorganization would also help explain what to name the files for the download links.
On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 08:39 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
Related to this, the torrents page (being the default download page that users land on from clicking "Get Fedora") is pretty bad:
[snip]
Looking at it, you have to know what FEL means, what Live means, and even if you know those, what are the tradeoffs for Developer versus the (we need to call it Desktop not just -Live), etc?
Honestly, I think that the entire "Get Fedora" page needs to be improved. If you ever go directly to the list at torrent.fedoraproject.org, it should be because a) You're a long-time Fedora user and know exactly what you're looking for b) You're a rawhide tester (not ideal, but doing a whole splashy page for rawhide torrents is probably overkill)
The Get Fedora page really could do with a description of the options available as you mention, perhaps even with screenshots and largely guide you towards an answer. And ultimately, the file names shouldn't really matter.
My attempts to get some people interested in working on it were less than successful, though, and we want me to design a web page just barely before I start drawing artwork :-)
Jeremy
On 9/14/07, Jeremy Katz katzj@redhat.com wrote:
Honestly, I think that the entire "Get Fedora" page needs to be improved. If you ever go directly to the list at torrent.fedoraproject.org, it should be because a) You're a long-time Fedora user and know exactly what you're looking for
Ok, well I was just clicking on the top link on each page.
The Get Fedora page really could do with a description of the options available as you mention, perhaps even with screenshots and largely guide you towards an answer. And ultimately, the file names shouldn't really matter.
Ok, moving it directly to the Get Fedora page makes sense too.
My attempts to get some people interested in working on it were less than successful, though, and we want me to design a web page just barely before I start drawing artwork :-)
I think at this point we mainly need to define the structure and flow; someone with a bit more design skills can come along later and fix =) Is this page in CVS somewhere?
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