Hi, I went to one step ahead. I have a usb modem which i can carry to anywhere. It has memory slot (micro SD)in it. I made it as live USB from USB creator. But unfortunately i am not able to boot. My plan was make it as live usb and then connect to data center by creating VPN.So that i can store my data permanently, Also make usb of cloud computing to give various software as service(SaaS).
Thanks, Onkar
2009/11/7 Hristo Petkov vaeood@yahoo.com
Hi Guys, I have a proposal. In my view this DVD is too complex to be made universal for various types of machines. Suppose the good old Live CD is furnished with a reference to the Fedora Project website and there to be installed an expert system advising the users depending on their machine, their periphery and their application goals what to install what is better to install instead of what and what is not entirely advisable to be installed. How to make a full-featured high-speed desktop from ground zero (from the live CD on formatted HD) in a couple of hours, etc. Things like that. Just a proposal. Best regards Christo Petkov
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- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (David Zeuthen)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Bill Nottingham)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (David Zeuthen)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Adam Williamson)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Matthias Clasen)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (drago01)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (David Zeuthen)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Seth Vidal)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Lars Herrmann)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Bill Nottingham)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (drago01)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (David Zeuthen)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Seth Vidal)
- Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff (Lars Herrmann)
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Message: 1 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:20:13 -0500 From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff To: sundaram@fedoraproject.orghttp://mc/compose?to=sundaram@fedoraproject.org, Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The image size is 1022 M.
This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G = 1,000,000,000 - e.g.. the SI units.
It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M = 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
It would probably be helpful to do a quick study of actual sizes of 1GB USB sticks - we may end up wanting to do a 990 MB (990,000,000,000 bytes) image or something so the image works on as many USB sticks as possible.
David
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:24:54 -0500 From: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=notting@redhat.com
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David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.com http://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com) said:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The image size is 1022 M.
This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G = 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M = 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll have for any overlay.
Bill
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:35:26 -0500 From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com)
said:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The image size is 1022 M.
This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G = 1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M = 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some may be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM") while some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll have for any overlay.
Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for the overlay.
Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling* stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.
David
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:55:01 -0800 From: Adam Williamson <awilliam@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=awilliam@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:35 -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com)
said:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The image size is 1022 M.
This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G
=
1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M = 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some
may
be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM")
while
some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll have for any overlay.
Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for the overlay.
Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling* stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.
Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about including useless crap.
And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with absurd caps like 10GB/month?
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
-- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net
Message: 5 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:56:42 -0500 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mclasen@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
Message: 6 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:05:30 +0100 From: drago01 <drago01@gmail.com http://mc/compose?to=drago01@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Desktop Live DVD: diff To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mclasen@redhat.com> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
Finally we can move away from the 1990s (CDs), but yeah I agree besides OO.org I can't think of an app that I really miss on the live media.
Just because we do have more space available does not mean that we have to fill it with random crap.
Message: 7 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:34:51 -0500 From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about including useless crap.
Nah, this is a bad reason - and if it's the case we're already doomed.
(FWIW, I don't think it's the case - I trust Matthias and other Live CD desktop maintainers to put only sensible stuff on our images.)
Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
on the media. In my view, that would make Fedora a lot more appealing.
And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with absurd caps like 10GB/month?
They do have mirrors in Australia.
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake to say it should be.
Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago, we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six CDs..
F13 will be released in 2010.
David
Message: 8 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:37:43 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.orghttp://mc/compose?to=skvidal@fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Personally I think one of the nice things about a live CD image is it creates a good restriction for building a nice focused working system in a reasonable amount of space. 1GB would more or less keep that; 2GB is starting to introduce an awful lot of wiggle room for not caring about including useless crap.
Nah, this is a bad reason - and if it's the case we're already doomed.
(FWIW, I don't think it's the case - I trust Matthias and other Live CD desktop maintainers to put only sensible stuff on our images.)
Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
on the media. In my view, that would make Fedora a lot more appealing.
And remember, large USB keys may be cheap as chips nowadays but bandwidth ain't, always. Aren't there still people in Australia with absurd caps like 10GB/month?
They do have mirrors in Australia.
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake to say it should be.
Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago, we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six CDs.
Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if they were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install via the net talking to a local mirror.
not disputing any other points - but it's not like the super-small image has ever been 6-cds.
-sv
Message: 9 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:47:02 +0100 From: Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herrmann@redhat.com
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Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or language-group spins ?
Just a thought
Lars
Message: 10 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:50:01 -0500 From: Bill Nottingham <notting@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=notting@redhat.com
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Lars Herrmann (herrmann@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herrmann@redhat.com) said:
But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or language-group spins ?
That explodes the testing matrix, though. (And makes something that needs to support some superset of languages a mess.)
Bill
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herrmann@redhat.com> wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or language-group spins ?
Just a thought
Asking users to install random language packs isn't a good user experience, and if the only reason for that is "we still don't acknowledge that we are in the 21st century ...."
Message: 12 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:52:28 -0500 From: David Zeuthen <davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 15:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago, we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six CDs.
Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if
they
were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install via the net talking to a local mirror.
Right, that's true. I remember doing that a lot. IIRC, if choosing a minimal install the first two CDs would suffice (if the stars were properly aligned I think - ISTR that it broke at one point).
Anyway, people can still do that, right? (honest question, not trolling. I don't really know; these days I never use anything but the Live CD to install.)
Thanks, David
Message: 13 Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 15:56:22 -0500 (EST) From: Seth Vidal <skvidal@fedoraproject.orghttp://mc/compose?to=skvidal@fedoraproject.org
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 15:37 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
Also: Remember the days before live CDs? Back then, about 3+ years ago, we didn't have any problems asking people to download a whopping six CDs.
Well, to be fair we didn't tell them download 6 cds. We told them, if
they
were bandwidth-restricted to download the boot.iso and boot and install via the net talking to a local mirror.
Right, that's true. I remember doing that a lot. IIRC, if choosing a minimal install the first two CDs would suffice (if the stars were properly aligned I think - ISTR that it broke at one point).
Anyway, people can still do that, right? (honest question, not trolling. I don't really know; these days I never use anything but the Live CD to install.)
yep. In f11 it's called netinst.
Fedora-11-i386-netinst..iso
for example.
it's 177MB. Which is pretty light weight. It has stage2 on it iirc.
-sv
Message: 14 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:58:45 +0100 From: Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herrmann@redhat.com
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Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 21:50 +0100 schrieb drago01:
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Lars Herrmann <herrmann@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=herrmann@redhat.com>
wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest
'complete-out-of-the-box'
image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or language-group spins ?
Just a thought
Asking users to install random language packs isn't a good user experience, and if the only reason for that is "we still don't acknowledge that we are in the 21st century ...."
The point is that it in fact *is* annoying that a significant chunk of space goes to totally irrelevant packages. I am typically installing 3 languages on my system and I am sure this represents a tiny fraction of the user base. North of 90% will never ever use more than one language. And they will know which one they need prior to downloading ;)
Having a button in the distro to "add a language" is a useful feature anyway - it's a bit of a pain today if you want to add a language later and have to find out which packages to add. Same goes for removing.
But I'm not aware of all implications of course ...
Lars
Message: 15 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:20:30 -0500 From: Matthias Clasen <mclasen@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mclasen@redhat.com
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On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 21:47 +0100, Lars Herrmann wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 05.11.2009, 14:56 -0500 schrieb Matthias Clasen:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 11:55 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
The biggest gap in terms of 'complete-out-of-the-box' is OpenOffice. Including that brings us up to around 850M or so.
But isn't this just because of the 3 million language packages provided ? Could the size kept small by providing uni-language or language-group spins ?
Just a thought
I did that experiment back in August. Here is what I wrote back then:
Replacing abiword with the entire openoffice suite blows the iso size up to 825M.
Replacing abiword with just oowriter still blows the iso size up to 820M.
This is without any openoffice lang packs.
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On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:35:26PM -0500, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 13:24 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
David Zeuthen (davidz@redhat.comhttp://mc/compose?to=davidz@redhat.com)
said:
On Thu, 2009-11-05 at 14:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
The image size is 1022 M.
This is likely too big, remember drive manufacturers don't really use units like KiB MiB or GiB - they use 1K = 1000, 1M = 1,000,000 and 1G
=
1,000,000,000 - e.g. the SI units.
It seems to me that most 1GB USB keys have a size of 1GB = 1,000M = 1,000,000,000 bytes. Some are 1024MB (1024,000,000,000 bytes), some
may
be a bit smaller (e.g. "value-adds" like the Sandisk U3 "CD-ROM")
while
some may actually be 1024 MiB (1,099,511,627,776 bytes). It varies.
Moreover, the closer you get to the full size, the less space you'll have for any overlay.
Good point. A quick search on the Internet suggests that 2GB sticks can be had for < $10. So maybe we should just bite the bullet and target 2GB keys and do a 1.7GB (1,700,000,000 bytes) image leaving ~300MB free for the overlay.
Then leaves both wiggle-room and also enables us to include *compelling* stuff like Ogg Theora videos featuring Shadowman etc etc.
The price differences between 1GB and 2GB sticks seem minimal (and you can find some 2GB cheaper than 1GB, of course). I lobbied purposely with the Red Hat Summit organizers to make sure we gave out Fedora on 2GB keys so that we could have a sizable key.
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Message: 17 Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:10:14 +0200 From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.rohttp://mc/compose?to=nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro
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On 11/05/2009 10:34 PM, David Zeuthen wrote:
Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
- 1 million
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake to say it should be.
How about a middle ground? Most of the people will just try and see what is about, they will not use write overlay, so we can target the image at 1 GB (999 MB), to cover their case. Advanced users, who will made use of the write overlay, will surely write the image on a 2GB or large drive, having the option to set the overlay as large as they want and the possibility to throw in other useful things, like a persistent home.
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Message: 18 Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:10:16 +0530 From: onkar mirajkar <odmirajkar@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=odmirajkar@gmail.com
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Hi, Few days back I created a Ubnutu live USB. But I recognize that its not good for my day to day use as it doesnot allow me to add my own packages like VLC. Is this a general problem with all Live USB as there are live dvd creator which allows me to add my own packages. I think its good idea to add this feature as USB is read wirte device not read only like DVD so that user can install their own software and customize thier live USB. Thanks, Onkar
2009/11/6 Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.rohttp://mc/compose?to=nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro
On 11/05/2009 10:34 PM, David Zeuthen wrote:
Also, no-one says we _must_ include useless crap or even use all of the space. And no-one says the space we're going to use is to be used for software. I've advocated earlier that we should try and promote things like Ogg Theora. For example, we could include
- 1 million
I'm not sure I like the idea, if the idea is 'stop doing a small
functional live image and make our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image 2GB big'.
No one says the desktop image should be "our smallest 'complete-out-of-the-box' image". In fact, I think it would be a mistake to say it should be.
How about a middle ground? Most of the people will just try and see what
is
about, they will not use write overlay, so we can target the image at 1
GB
(999 MB), to cover their case. Advanced users, who will made use of the write overlay, will surely write the image on a 2GB or large drive,
having
the option to set the overlay as large as they want and the possibility
to
throw in other useful things, like a persistent home.
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