On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 11:46 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
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Booting the LiveCD, grub gives you two options:
Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 from RAM
This is confusing -- should I choose default or no? What's the difference between the two? I think users will be confused.
The FC6 live cd said "(run from RAM - requires 1GB+)" instead of "from RAM" which may be less confusing to at least English speaking users..
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The default user name at the Live CD's gdm -- this is a simple change
s/Fedora live CD/Fedora/
then if it's a LiveUSB or LiveDVD, the user name doesn't look odd
Sounds good to me...
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First impressions of the LiveCD desktop
Note that mostly all of your comments below also apply to the default desktop install.. best is to just fix the problems there. So I'm adding fedora-desktop-list to get out the desktop people to read this. For reference, the original mail was here
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2007-April/msg00036.html
I basically agree with most of your points; some specific comments below...
We want it to be uncluttered, and to show off the coolest stuff in the most obvious way. To that end:
- do we need the SCIM module in the top right?
It would be nice if SCIM didn't show an icon for certain locales that use latin1, e.g. English, Danish, German, Dutch etc. So this should be fixed in SCIM itself... we shouldn't do a quick one-off for the live CD; we need to fix SCIM and keep including it by default...
Keep in mind that the live CD may be used by people who don't speak/read/understand a word of English.
- do we need the Desktop search module in the top right?
No, it should go IMO. Not Live CD specific.
What about the default applications at the top of the GNOME panel?
- now: evolution, web browser
Not Live CD specific. Agree it needs work... personally I think the web browser icon is butt ugly; it should show Firefox as that's the default browse... btw, it's even worse; a default desktop install we show icons for three OO applications. Do we really think that OO.o is the first thing people do?
(I mean, this setup might be fine for "RHEL Desktop" but I'd wager any day of the week, and twice on Sundays, that it isn't true for Fedora)
- "Other->Theme Installer" doesn't do anything, and should be removed
Fixed already in Rawhide AFAIK.
You missed my favorite pet peeve about the default desktop install. We show two trash cans, one in lower panel and one on the desktop. Do we _really_ want people to call us the trash distro? :-)
David
On 4/4/07, David Zeuthen davidz@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 11:46 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
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Booting the LiveCD, grub gives you two options:
Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 from RAM
This is confusing -- should I choose default or no? What's the
difference
between the two? I think users will be confused.
The FC6 live cd said "(run from RAM - requires 1GB+)" instead of "from RAM" which may be less confusing to at least English speaking users..
which is not true for x86_64 it does not even work with 2gb (oom)
On Wednesday 04 April 2007 13:14:31 dragoran dragoran wrote:
which is not true for x86_64 it does not even work with 2gb (oom)
This was a bug in how this was done from DVD which should be fixed now, so that the comment should still apply.
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 12:47 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote:
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 11:46 -0400, Max Spevack wrote:
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Booting the LiveCD, grub gives you two options:
Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 Fedora-7-Test3-Live-i386 from RAM
This is confusing -- should I choose default or no? What's the difference between the two? I think users will be confused.
The FC6 live cd said "(run from RAM - requires 1GB+)" instead of "from RAM" which may be less confusing to at least English speaking users..
At the same time, it's long and if you have a long enough fslabel (which we likely do), then you run out of space and only get part of the text displayed.
While the run from RAM option is nice, I'm still not entirely sold on it for the reasons Max was confused.
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The default user name at the Live CD's gdm -- this is a simple change
s/Fedora live CD/Fedora/
then if it's a LiveUSB or LiveDVD, the user name doesn't look odd
Sounds good to me...
I actually have pending changing it to "Fedora Live" instead of just Fedora. And actually changing the rest of the "livecd" type references to be just live or live image.
Jeremy
Le mercredi 04 avril 2007 à 12:47 -0400, David Zeuthen a écrit :
You missed my favorite pet peeve about the default desktop install. We show two trash cans, one in lower panel and one on the desktop. Do we _really_ want people to call us the trash distro? :-)
What do you complain about ? This is the desktop that removed quick terminal access, (and a few months later it tops in mugshot's stats)
The Fedora desktop moves in mysterious ways
Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 04 avril 2007 à 12:47 -0400, David Zeuthen a écrit :
You missed my favorite pet peeve about the default desktop install. We show two trash cans, one in lower panel and one on the desktop. Do we _really_ want people to call us the trash distro? :-)
What do you complain about ? This is the desktop that removed quick terminal access, (and a few months later it tops in mugshot's stats)
The Fedora desktop moves in mysterious ways
I think you have pointed out that mugshot reference enough times by now. The nautilus extension to have the terminal in the context menu is installed by default which I am not sure is intentional.
Rahul
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 19:54 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le mercredi 04 avril 2007 à 12:47 -0400, David Zeuthen a écrit :
You missed my favorite pet peeve about the default desktop install. We show two trash cans, one in lower panel and one on the desktop. Do we _really_ want people to call us the trash distro? :-)
What do you complain about ? This is the desktop that removed quick terminal access, (and a few months later it tops in mugshot's stats)
The Fedora desktop moves in mysterious ways
For the record, nautilus-open-terminal was in the FC6 live cd (reason: "For the adult in you") [1] so at least I share your point of view. I don't know why it disappeared from the Fedora 7 live cd. When the merger is complete it should probably be pulled in by one of the default @desktop groups.
(Btw, in the future please rather file a bug so nautilus-open-terminal can go into the default set instead of... snide remarks. Thanks for your continued interested in the Fedora desktop project.)
David
[1] : http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-announce-list@redhat.com/msg01172.html
First impressions of the LiveCD desktop
We want it to be uncluttered, and to show off the coolest stuff in the most obvious way. To that end:
- do we need the SCIM module in the top right?
The i18n people were adamant about turning scim on for everybody when it is installed, even though we asked for it to be restricted to certain locales...
- do we need the Desktop search module in the top right?
This should be gone in rawhide.
- "calendar" in the office section is actually Evolution and it
crashes when you close it
- "email" in the top launcher is also Evolution, and it too crashes
(obviously) when you close it.
- "tasks" in the office section -- same thing
- so shouldn't it just have one more generalized name?
The crash is a known bug, Matt is working on it. If you look closely, the four menuitems start evolution with different views. This was done because we believe that it is better to deemphasize the all-in-one-app aspect of evolution, and emphasize the individual tasks.
- "Other->Theme Installer" doesn't do anything, and should be
removed
This missed the test3 freeze, should be fixed in rawhide.
- "System->About Fedora" can't load properly due to missing
about-fedora.xml
This should no longer be an issue, since we managed to squeeze the distro far enough to make doc-ectomy unnecessary.
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