Hi,
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
Thanks, Martin
PS: I know, that I can change it very fast, but shouldn't the default be the more effective one?
References: [1] http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/09/fedora-8-test-2-nano-review.html
Martin Sourada wrote:
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
I believe the main reason is spatial is the default in upstream GNOME.
You know, what *you* or *I* consider more effective is not extremely relevant, as we are so-called "power users", net necessarily representative (with that said, I am quite ambivalent for Spatial or Browser, maybe with a slight preference for Spatial, where the tree view does not waste space when not needed)
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
Nicu Buculei escribió:
Martin Sourada wrote:
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
I believe the main reason is spatial is the default in upstream GNOME.
You know, what *you* or *I* consider more effective is not extremely relevant, as we are so-called "power users", net necessarily representative (with that said, I am quite ambivalent for Spatial or Browser, maybe with a slight preference for Spatial, where the tree view does not waste space when not needed)
On the contrary, less technically inclined people are the ones more vocal about the spatial mode in Nautilus. I would have to agree with them, it is plain dumb. Pretty much all the users and new users have been conditioned to browser mode file management simply due to a Windows background. Power users, on the other hand, may find spatial mode more useful, apparently.
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more "convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and use spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the first place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
Nicu Buculei escribió:
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
Probably because Konqueror was always browser only?
made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more "convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and use
This may be because effective use of our spatial mode require unusual shortcuts (double-click with the wheel), which only "power users" bother to remember.
spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the first place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
I won't argue either way, I don't have the means to conduct such experiment but someone else in this thread (Brian) argued for the opposite, so I believe you found at least one :p
On 9/18/07, Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro wrote:
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
Nicu Buculei escribió:
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
Probably because Konqueror was always browser only?
made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more "convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and use
This may be because effective use of our spatial mode require unusual shortcuts (double-click with the wheel), which only "power users" bother to remember.
I have been thinking of adding an open to nautilus that allows changing the button behavior. left clicking opening a window and closing a parent and using middle-click to keep them open. Personally I love spatial mode, but I still wish I had that behavior.
spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the first place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
I think you are really referring to Windows comfortable users here. Most the inexperienced users I have put in front of gnome really find spatial intuitive. My fiance has all her different photo/movie/music windows opening on her screen just so. Now if only there was a better way to organize her desktop :-)
I won't argue either way, I don't have the means to conduct such experiment but someone else in this thread (Brian) argued for the opposite, so I believe you found at least one :p
Personally I think the gnome community has gone through the change once, and we should stick with it.
Jon
On 2007-09-18, 12:44 GMT, Jon Nettleton wrote:
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
One of the few reasons why I was glad to switch to Gnome was because konqueror doesn't have spatial mode, but I was too lazy to blog about it (well, I am too lazy to blog at all). Your data are not good enough for any serious conclusion.
Matej
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 13:52 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
1. It's the nautilus default. If you want it changed, it should be done upstream. 2. Plenty of people like it.
Later, /B
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Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi,
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull ones), and opens only one window.
+1 for that.
I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better, /especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure, like Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote the browser mode.
Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how about providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
1. Customize your desktop - like wallpapers / themes / colors -- may be also provide an option for downloading new items. 2. Customize the way your applications behave - like setting your preferred applications, etc. 3. And some other things under the sun :-)
Just my views.
later, Rogue
[1] - I know there are a lot of people who do not like it, but from a desktop perspective for most users in my family who are not very tech-savvy, it works great. Well, they are all 50+ years old :-) And I definitely do not wish to star a flame war right now =)
Rogue wrote:
I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better, /especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Is any possibility she like the browser mode because she learned how to use it from you?
I can understand people liking the browser mode for the tree view or for the history view, but bookmarks are very convenient also in spatial using the Places menu.
Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure, like Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote the browser mode.
After this talk I looked a little at the browser mode: I tend to like it the best with the sidebar and toolbar off, it looks much like spatial but have inversed shortcuts and the useful location bar (instead of the location drop-down).
Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how about providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
Like a second first boot screen?
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Nicu Buculei wrote:
Rogue wrote:
I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better, /especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Is any possibility she like the browser mode because she learned how to use it from you?
Possible. =D
Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure, like Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote the browser mode.
After this talk I looked a little at the browser mode: I tend to like it the best with the sidebar and toolbar off, it looks much like spatial but have inversed shortcuts and the useful location bar (instead of the location drop-down).
Shall try that out too.
Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how about providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
Like a second first boot screen?
It would be a second boot screen after the first install, but for a new user account that is created, like say in a multi-user environment, it might make sense... don't you think?
later, Rogue
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