Hi,
Can anyone tell me if GNOME menu editing will be enabled in FC3? I am really getting tired of editing .desktop files.
Thanks...Paul
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:11 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if GNOME menu editing will be enabled in FC3? I am really getting tired of editing .desktop files.
It doesn't look like it, and it seems to be a low priority for the GNOME folks. I'm surprised some enterprising hacker hasn't put together a front-end for manipulating the xml menu files. It shouldn't take much more than spit and baling wire ...
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:11 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if GNOME menu editing will be enabled in FC3? I am really getting tired of editing .desktop files.
It doesn't look like it, and it seems to be a low priority for the GNOME folks. I'm surprised some enterprising hacker hasn't put together a front-end for manipulating the xml menu files. It shouldn't take much more than spit and baling wire ...
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As far as I know, it was Red Hat that disabled it, not GNOME. In fact, I read that the menu editing was improved in the upcoming GNOME 2.8. I was hoping that this would make Red Hat (Fedora) turn it back on again. It is frustrating that repeated calls for menu editing are falling on deaf ears! If Mandrake wasn't a GNOME release behind, I would consider switching.
Paul
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:20 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
As far as I know, it was Red Hat that disabled it, not GNOME. In fact, I read that the menu editing was improved in the upcoming GNOME 2.8. I was hoping that this would make Red Hat (Fedora) turn it back on again. It is frustrating that repeated calls for menu editing are falling on deaf ears! If Mandrake wasn't a GNOME release behind, I would consider switching.
Paul
Well, I don't know whats Fedora (Red Hat... whatever) position regarding menu editing, but if you check the GNOME mailing list archive (http://mail.gnome.org) you will find its true that menu editing isn't a high priority problem for the GNOME team for many valid reasons.
Besides, I don't know if the GNOME team was planning to improve menu editing in for the Gnome 2.8, but as far as I can tell (and I'm currently running Gnome 2.7) there is no visible improvement whatsoever.
I'm not speaking for the GNOME Developers in any way, this is only my understanding of the situation as a mailing list lurker.
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:20 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
As far as I know, it was Red Hat that disabled it, not GNOME. In fact, I read that the menu editing was improved in the upcoming GNOME 2.8. I was hoping that this would make Red Hat (Fedora) turn it back on again. It is frustrating that repeated calls for menu editing are falling on deaf ears! If Mandrake wasn't a GNOME release behind, I would consider switching.
Some time during the Gnome 2.8 cycle was spent on the menu system backend itself, making it use a shared freedesktop.org specification, but as yet there is no menu editor. The reason the upstream vfolder "menu editing" is disabled is that its very unstable and crashes a lot.
There will be some changes to the way the panel handles menus in Gnome 2.10, and hopefully we'll get a sane menu editor by then.
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On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:20 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
As far as I know, it was Red Hat that disabled it, not GNOME. In fact, I read that the menu editing was improved in the upcoming GNOME 2.8. I was hoping that this would make Red Hat (Fedora) turn it back on again. It is frustrating that repeated calls for menu editing are falling on deaf ears! If Mandrake wasn't a GNOME release behind, I would consider switching.
Pretty sure the upstream GNOME improvement was Mark and Dan's work to go to the new menu format. We prioritized that ahead of writing the editor, since we'd have to go back and write the editor again otherwise. Plus, the new format is a fair bit more human-editable. Or at least, a fair bit more documented.
But yeah, menu editor is on our list but not the highest priority. Our largest focuses for desktop are 1) to get rid of any need to use the command line, specifically for hardware, e.g. NetworkManager and 2) enterprise management and security stuff like kerberos and remote desktop sharing and so forth.
Havoc
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 22:51, Havoc Pennington wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 20:20 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
As far as I know, it was Red Hat that disabled it, not GNOME. In fact, I read that the menu editing was improved in the upcoming GNOME 2.8. I was hoping that this would make Red Hat (Fedora) turn it back on again. It is frustrating that repeated calls for menu editing are falling on deaf ears! If Mandrake wasn't a GNOME release behind, I would consider switching.
Pretty sure the upstream GNOME improvement was Mark and Dan's work to go to the new menu format.
Nothing changed with menus upstream in GNOME 2.8 :-)
But switching to the new upstream format is the first thing I'm planning on tackling for 2.10:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2004-May/msg00232.html
Cheers, Mark.
Hi,
Actual menu editing through the GNOME VFS menu method is not going to be turned on since there are still lots of problems with it. If there is going to be menu editing, then it will be with, as Michael suggests here, an app to edit the XML files directly.
Dan
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Michael Knepher wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:11 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if GNOME menu editing will be enabled in FC3? I am really getting tired of editing .desktop files.
It doesn't look like it, and it seems to be a low priority for the GNOME folks. I'm surprised some enterprising hacker hasn't put together a front-end for manipulating the xml menu files. It shouldn't take much more than spit and baling wire ...
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Hi,
Actual menu editing through the GNOME VFS menu method is not going to be turned on since there are still lots of problems with it. If there is going to be menu editing, then it will be with, as Michael suggests here, an app to edit the XML files directly.
Dan
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Michael Knepher wrote:
On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 13:11 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
Hi,
Can anyone tell me if GNOME menu editing will be enabled in FC3? I
am
really getting tired of editing .desktop files.
It doesn't look like it, and it seems to be a low priority for the GNOME folks. I'm surprised some enterprising hacker hasn't put together a front-end for manipulating the xml menu files. It shouldn't take much more than spit and baling wire ...
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Well...I've never really done GUI programming. I earn my bread and butter doing mainframe programming. Perhaps, it is time to get my hands dirty and take a stab at it. How hard would it be to create a, "system-config-menu"? Could I use one of the other system-config tools as a model?
Paul Thanks...Paul
On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 09:09 -0400, Paul Vandenberg wrote:
Well...I've never really done GUI programming. I earn my bread and butter doing mainframe programming. Perhaps, it is time to get my hands dirty and take a stab at it. How hard would it be to create a, "system-config-menu"? Could I use one of the other system-config tools as a model?
Paul,
Such an application would have wider acceptance/use than just Fedora Core, since the menu code that Fedora Core uses will be upstream in GNOME 2.8 (already in KDE). Therefore, whatever application gets written should be targetted at GNOME and not specifically Fedora Core. In any case, it would have to be C/C++ to be accepted into upstream GNOME (as Python, which all the other system-config-* tools are written in, is not an accepted gnome language yet). It wouldn't be a particularly hard application, but there would of course be a lot of XML manipulation involved. Take a look at:
http://freedesktop.org/Standards/menu-spec/0.8/ http://www.gnome.org/~calum/usability/specs/menu-edit/
Even if, for the moment, the editor just edited the system menu files and didn't touch the user-specific ones, it would be a win over what we have now.
Dan
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