Before FC2's release, we purposefully changed the default pdf viewer from gpdf to ggv because gpdf was horribly unstable. That is still the case today, with it failing to open many PDF documents, or opening it and soon later locking up completely.
Why did the default change back to gpdf?
Can we switch back to ggv?
Warren Togami wtogami@redhat.com
I like it when RedHat people talk to each other before making a change !!
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:37:33 -1000, Warren Togami wtogami@redhat.com wrote:
Before FC2's release, we purposefully changed the default pdf viewer from gpdf to ggv because gpdf was horribly unstable. That is still the case today, with it failing to open many PDF documents, or opening it and soon later locking up completely.
Why did the default change back to gpdf?
Can we switch back to ggv?
Warren Togami wtogami@redhat.com
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Hi, I know you meant this as a joke, but it is worth pointing out a couple of things ...
On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 14:00, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
I like it when RedHat people talk to each other before making a change !!
1) Whoever changed the default didn't need to talk to Warren in order to make the change. So there's nothing wrong with Warren not knowing why the change was made.
2) Warren could have asked via private mail about this. But its a good thing he didn't because everyone will get to see the response - you, and everyone else on the list, will benefit from any response he gets.
We all want more discussions like this to happen in public - so don't knock it when someone does it, lest you cause that person to go back asking questions like this on irc, via private mail or in the hallways.
Cheers, Mark.
Well, I will reply for you and Alexander Larsson and the rest of the list.
1- I didn't mean at all to underestimate Warren. 2- I wasn't putting silly comments, or raising the signal/noise ratio
I said it as a comment that I felt there is no clear procedure on what goes in and what not. Even RH engineers don't have a reference to go to regarding why something is added or not !! It was my point of view, and I think it is my right to see clear procedures that clarifies what certain settings are made in my preferred distro.
Back to the main topic.
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:47:47 +0100, Mark McLoughlin markmc@redhat.com wrote:
Hi, I know you meant this as a joke, but it is worth pointing out a couple of things ...
On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 14:00, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
I like it when RedHat people talk to each other before making a change !!
Whoever changed the default didn't need to talk to Warren in order to make the change. So there's nothing wrong with Warren not knowing why the change was made.
Warren could have asked via private mail about this. But its a good thing he didn't because everyone will get to see the response - you, and everyone else on the list, will benefit from any response he gets.
We all want more discussions like this to happen in public - so don't
knock it when someone does it, lest you cause that person to go back asking questions like this on irc, via private mail or in the hallways.
Cheers, Mark.
On Thu, 2004-10-07 at 11:57 +0200, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
Well, I will reply for you and Alexander Larsson and the rest of the list.
1- I didn't mean at all to underestimate Warren. 2- I wasn't putting silly comments, or raising the signal/noise ratio
I said it as a comment that I felt there is no clear procedure on what goes in and what not. Even RH engineers don't have a reference to go to regarding why something is added or not !! It was my point of view, and I think it is my right to see clear procedures that clarifies what certain settings are made in my preferred distro.
Back to the main topic.
I'm not sure what sort of procedures you think would work? Each change would have to be reviewed by someone? Someone must ok every change made to the distro?
Red hat is extremely understaffed compared to most other software development teams. Add to this the fact that we don't write all of the software we're shipping, so we don't have full control of it. If we were to have some sort of super-detailed procedure we'd have to follow for each change we wouldn't get much done at all. We'd have to verify every change linus accepts, every change to gnome, and every change we do. We wouldn't have any time to actually develop new code or fix bugs.
In this case, the mime system was completely rewritten in this release, and the default config had to be rewritten for it. I did my best to transcribe the old defaults to the new system, but anyone can make mistakes. I can't figure out any procedure that would have caught that mistake.
Well, thats not entierly true. There is one way I know to find such problems. The free software way, release early and have interested people test the stuff and report problems. This is what we're trying to do, and it worked in this case.
The problem is, developers don't have time for eternal discussions that seem to pop up often when we post anything to a public list. The actual development talk easily gets lost in unrelated responses. At the moment that is causing a lot of developers to hesitate about posting things on public lists, which is bad for the Fedora project. I'm not sure what to do about this, but if we can't solve it the resulting software will suffer.
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On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 15:00 +0200, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
I like it when RedHat people talk to each other before making a change !!
It would be nice if people could avoid silly comments like this, it furthers the chances of people actually using this channel to communicate. Low signal/noice ratios kills mailing lists.
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Before FC2's release, we purposefully changed the default pdf viewer from gpdf to ggv because gpdf was horribly unstable. That is still the case today, with it failing to open many PDF documents, or opening it and soon later locking up completely.
As much as I like Gnome, an application is not automatically the best just because it has a 'G' in it. From my experience, you really can't beat xpdf. You can easily print and search. It renders well and the interface is straighforward, i.e. not confusing like ggv.
-Steve Bergman
On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 00:37 -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
Before FC2's release, we purposefully changed the default pdf viewer from gpdf to ggv because gpdf was horribly unstable. That is still the case today, with it failing to open many PDF documents, or opening it and soon later locking up completely.
Why did the default change back to gpdf?
Can we switch back to ggv?
This was likely accidental when i transfered the old settings over to the new mime system. I'll change it.
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