Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
I am thinking of ice, for those people with machines without much memory, or who just wish a lightweight window manager. But I am meaning this question to be more general. So far I have come up with the following list.
Well maintained rpm. Bluecurve theme (on by default) Menu structure consistent with other desktops Integration into gdm and/or desktop switcher stamp of approval from Garrett stamp of approval from rest of Fedora governing body
Am I missing anything?
And on a related note, if one were to get the first 3 or 4 done, is it even feasible that the stamps of approval will happen, or will this be something that will only get into fedora-extra?
Troy
Am Di, den 09.12.2003 schrieb Troy Dawson um 15:44:
Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
I am thinking of ice, for those people with machines without much memory, or who just wish a lightweight window manager. But I am meaning this question to be more general.
IMO a very good idea. I have icewm incl truecurve patch, Gnome2 and KDE menus and truecurve theme on an P1 233. Really sweat!
So far I have come up with the following list.
Well maintained rpm.
Do you have one right now? I lost mine somewhere...
Bluecurve theme (on by default) Menu structure consistent with other desktops Integration into gdm and/or desktop switcher
I think switchdesk will be harder than gdm. I've managed to intergrate it into the command line version, but not info switchdesk-gnome od -kde.
stamp of approval from Garrett stamp of approval from rest of Fedora governing body
Am I missing anything?
And on a related note, if one were to get the first 3 or 4 done, is it even feasible that the stamps of approval will happen, or will this be something that will only get into fedora-extra?
Good question. I'd like to see it in core, but I'm not sure if it will make it there.
Christoph
Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Di, den 09.12.2003 schrieb Troy Dawson um 15:44:
Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
I am thinking of ice, for those people with machines without much memory, or who just wish a lightweight window manager. But I am meaning this question to be more general.
IMO a very good idea. I have icewm incl truecurve patch, Gnome2 and KDE menus and truecurve theme on an P1 233. Really sweat!
I wouldn't mind the menu files, though maybe if you sent them to me offline so we don't spam the list. I hadn't looked at the truecurve theme until right now, that looks pretty good.
So far I have come up with the following list.
Well maintained rpm.
Do you have one right now? I lost mine somewhere...
Well, I just took the one from IceWM http://www.icewm.org/ and took out all of the gnome menu sections. I don't know if it's still the case, but their 1.2.7 version I had to do that or else when I built the rpm's they had a nasty gnome dependancy. Oh, and I also sucked in the themes into the main rpm instead of having it split out. Mine is at ftp://linux.fnal.gov/linux/lts30rolling/SRPMS/icewm-1.2.13-2.LTS30x.src.rpm This was compiled on a recompiled enterpise release, but I believe it should install on fedora without any problem. (I'm having problems with my fedora machine or I'd know)
For the most part, their spec file looks quite stable, but as I said, it at least used to build a strange dependancy.
Are these the best spec file's (either mine or IceWM's) I don't know. They work, and they don't need much changes going from release to release, but I'd had to read the Fedora documentation better to know if they were good enough.
Bluecurve theme (on by default) Menu structure consistent with other desktops Integration into gdm and/or desktop switcher
I think switchdesk will be harder than gdm. I've managed to intergrate it into the command line version, but not info switchdesk-gnome od -kde.
I haven't looked at the switchdesk code to see how hard it would be. So you are definatly ahead of me on that.
stamp of approval from Garrett stamp of approval from rest of Fedora governing body
Am I missing anything?
And on a related note, if one were to get the first 3 or 4 done, is it even feasible that the stamps of approval will happen, or will this be something that will only get into fedora-extra?
Good question. I'd like to see it in core, but I'm not sure if it will make it there.
Christoph
Troy Dawson wrote:
Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
I am thinking of ice, for those people with machines without much memory, or who just wish a lightweight window manager. But I am meaning this question to be more general. So far I have come up with the following list.
Well maintained rpm. Bluecurve theme (on by default) Menu structure consistent with other desktops Integration into gdm and/or desktop switcher stamp of approval from Garrett stamp of approval from rest of Fedora governing body
Am I missing anything?
And on a related note, if one were to get the first 3 or 4 done, is it even feasible that the stamps of approval will happen, or will this be something that will only get into fedora-extra?
This would be a great addition to Fedora-extras or some external yum repository.
Concerning its inclusion in the base, Fedora Core, I think Trae McCombs sums it up great in a recent post to fedora-devel-list: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-December/msg00248.html
Garrett
Garrett LeSage wrote:
Troy Dawson wrote:
Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
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This would be a great addition to Fedora-extras or some external yum repository.
Concerning its inclusion in the base, Fedora Core, I think Trae McCombs sums it up great in a recent post to fedora-devel-list: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-December/msg00248.html
Garrett
I hate to be one of those flag waving window manager zealots, but I was set a task to investigate how to get fvwm and fvwm-themes into the new fedora releases by the fvwm developers, as I am an active user, distributor and promoter of both.
I was led to believe that to be considered for inclusion a suitable window manager should provide both i18n/internationalisation AND a11y/accessibility support. However, fvwm does provide the former, but documentation on methods of including a11y support appears to be sparse, so we are still investigating this. If anyone can provide some useful url's on a11y we would be most grateful.
There already exists rpm packages that install and run fine on fedora although there are a couple of required dependancies for these versions which are also available from the official fvwm rpm download site. Any decent rpm search facility may be used to find these deps as well, such as http://rpm.pbone.net/ The sources for both packages also provide within themselves the ability to create packages in any format including tarballs, rpm's and deb's.
I am currently in the process of repackaging both fvwm and fvwm-themes to more correctly comply with fedora requirements, session management, and GPG key signing conditions.
It is our hope that perhaps once these adjustments have been made that fvwm and fvwm-themes packages may be considered for inclusion into the fedora extras trees. Please feel free to offer any suggestions that may assist us in this endeavour.
Alex -- See http://www.fvwm.org/ and http://fvwm-themes.sourceforge.net/
On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 20:29, Alex Wallis wrote:
I was led to believe that to be considered for inclusion a suitable window manager should provide both i18n/internationalisation AND a11y/accessibility support.
This certainly isn't necessary for inclusion in fedora extras, or even always a requirement for core. The point about i18n/a11y and other issues such as those at http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/desktop/defaults.html are really about selecting the defaults.
However, fvwm does provide the former, but documentation on methods of including a11y support appears to be sparse, so we are still investigating this. If anyone can provide some useful url's on a11y we would be most grateful.
The developer.gnome.org a11y pages are probably the best source of info.
It is our hope that perhaps once these adjustments have been made that fvwm and fvwm-themes packages may be considered for inclusion into the fedora extras trees. Please feel free to offer any suggestions that may assist us in this endeavour.
I'd say fvwm is an obvious and uncontroversial addition to fedora extras, and would be unlikely to appear in fedora core.
Havoc
Garrett LeSage wrote:
Troy Dawson wrote:
Hello, What would be involved in trying to get another desktop officially into Fedora?
I am thinking of ice, for those people with machines without much memory, or who just wish a lightweight window manager. But I am meaning this question to be more general. So far I have come up with the following list.
Well maintained rpm. Bluecurve theme (on by default) Menu structure consistent with other desktops Integration into gdm and/or desktop switcher stamp of approval from Garrett stamp of approval from rest of Fedora governing body
Am I missing anything?
And on a related note, if one were to get the first 3 or 4 done, is it even feasible that the stamps of approval will happen, or will this be something that will only get into fedora-extra?
This would be a great addition to Fedora-extras or some external yum repository.
Concerning its inclusion in the base, Fedora Core, I think Trae McCombs sums it up great in a recent post to fedora-devel-list: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2003-December/msg00248.html
Garrett
If it's supposed to go in fedora extra's, then I'll go there. Though I do think there should be at least one small, usable, desktop in the core. Basically with Fedora, and RedHat, people have the choice of an extremely heavy desktop, or no usable desktop.
Troy
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