I've been looking at the desktop image size again this afternoon. We're still some 7M over. I've found a few things in /usr/share/doc that should not be there, but that is not quite enough. Since gnome-software will debut in F20 and allow us to have a reasonable search for applications, I'm going to suggest that we remove
gnome-boxes gnome-dictionary prelink
which will probably get us here. gnome-boxes has been called out as problematic on the live image before since it being present has side-effects for network configuration ( https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2013-August/008140.html ).
I'll make these changes soon, unless there is strong opposition. In that case, please be prepared to suggest alternative cuts.
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:28:38PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
prelink
I've wanted to remove this for ages, but am usually told that it makes a meaningful difference to startup time particularly for desktop applications.
Does it matter on *today's* hardware? (Has it _ever_ mattered on the livecd?)
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:28:38PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
prelink
I've wanted to remove this for ages, but am usually told that it makes a meaningful difference to startup time particularly for desktop applications.
Does it matter on *today's* hardware? (Has it _ever_ mattered on the livecd?)
is removing prelink going to break deltarpm ? does it matter for desktop image?
Lars
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On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 21:04 -0400, Lars Herrmann wrote:
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On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:28:38PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
prelink
I've wanted to remove this for ages, but am usually told that it makes a meaningful difference to startup time particularly for desktop applications.
Does it matter on *today's* hardware? (Has it _ever_ mattered on the livecd?)
is removing prelink going to break deltarpm ? does it matter for desktop image?
I don't see how it would. If anything deltarpm has to do extra work to work around the changes that prelink makes to installed content.
Hi Matthew,
I am particularly interested to know what the consensus is around prelink in Fedora over the longer term. We are seeking resources internally/within Linaro to get the port-in-progress to AArch64 (relocations and the like already done by msalter) finished but if prelink doesn't matter to anyone, that would be good to know :)
Jon.
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On 10/02/2013 09:13 PM, Jon Masters wrote:
Hi Matthew,
I am particularly interested to know what the consensus is around prelink in Fedora over the longer term. We are seeking resources internally/within Linaro to get the port-in-progress to AArch64 (relocations and the like already done by msalter) finished but if prelink doesn't matter to anyone, that would be good to know :)
Jon.
I would be all for getting rid of prelink, since it just caused big problems with some FIPS compliance stuff. I also question how much of a speed up it provides, especially with modern hardware and SSD cards.
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
I am particularly interested to know what the consensus is around prelink in Fedora over the longer term. We are seeking resources internally/within Linaro to get the port-in-progress to AArch64 (relocations and the like already done by msalter) finished but if prelink doesn't matter to anyone, that would be good to know :)
I would be all for getting rid of prelink, since it just caused big problems with some FIPS compliance stuff. I also question how much of a speed up it provides, especially with modern hardware and SSD cards.
What about on really slow ARM hardware? :)
On 3 Oct 2013 23:02, "Matthew Miller" mattdm@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 09:34:33AM -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
I am particularly interested to know what the consensus is around
prelink
in Fedora over the longer term. We are seeking resources
internally/within
Linaro to get the port-in-progress to AArch64 (relocations and the
like
already done by msalter) finished but if prelink doesn't matter to
anyone,
that would be good to know :)
I would be all for getting rid of prelink, since it just caused big
problems
with some FIPS compliance stuff. I also question how much of a speed
up it
provides, especially with modern hardware and SSD cards.
What about on really slow ARM hardware? :)
Arm isn't much different in this regard in a lot of situations.
Peter
On Wed, 2013-10-02 at 17:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
I'm going to suggest that we remove
gnome-boxes gnome-dictionary prelink
I've made these changes in spin-kickstarts now (for both f20 and rawhide). Let me know if you see any problems (in particular wrt to prelink).
Matthias
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