On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:41:13 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
We don't ship any system-config-* utilities anymore, and we will not add any ever again (system configuration belongs in gnome-control -center), so this isn't relevant to Workstation at all. This sounds like a complaint for the KDE SIG.
I agree system configuration belongs in gnome-control-center. I am not a gnome-shell hater. I use gnome-shell on all of my systems, but if things are replaced, they should be as good as what is replaced. system-config-printer is better than gnome-control-center with printers.
The problem is the system-config-* utilities functions are not always completely replaced by the gnome-control-center.
An example is you cannot share printers from gnome-control-center. Sharing printers is relevant to Workstation. A very popular solution from The Google is system-config-printer or Cups via localhost:631. See Gnome Bugzilla 692532 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692532 opened 2013-01-25, last comment 2013-02-15, last history entry 2013-04-19 "ui-review". It is interesting to read Red Hat Bugzilla 1136588 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136588 in this context where there is a reference to localhost:631.
I like the idea of Workstation. I have used Red Hat Linux and then Fedora since Apollo. I subscribed to this mailing list after reading about the new approach for Fedora. I get the impression from reading this list popularity as measured in number of users is a goal.
A dubious goal... <with apologies for bluntness>
A better goal is to be good at what you do. For me in the past Fedora has been very good to me. It is better to be good than popular.
With all due respect, Norman
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On Sun, 10 May 2015 11:41:13 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
We don't ship any system-config-* utilities anymore, and we will not add any ever again (system configuration belongs in gnome-control -center), so this isn't relevant to Workstation at all. This sounds like a complaint for the KDE SIG.
I agree system configuration belongs in gnome-control-center. I am not a gnome-shell hater. I use gnome-shell on all of my systems, but if things are replaced, they should be as good as what is replaced. system-config-printer is better than gnome-control-center with printers.
The problem is the system-config-* utilities functions are not always completely replaced by the gnome-control-center.
An example is you cannot share printers from gnome-control-center. Sharing printers is relevant to Workstation. A very popular solution from The Google is system-config-printer or Cups via localhost:631. See Gnome Bugzilla 692532 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692532 opened 2013-01-25, last comment 2013-02-15, last history entry 2013-04-19 "ui-review". It is interesting to read Red Hat Bugzilla 1136588 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1136588 in this context where there is a reference to localhost:631.
Really not a related bug. One is a feature request to act as a server, the other a problem when GNOME acts as the client.
I like the idea of Workstation. I have used Red Hat Linux and then Fedora since Apollo. I subscribed to this mailing list after reading about the new approach for Fedora. I get the impression from reading this list popularity as measured in number of users is a goal.
A dubious goal... <with apologies for bluntness>
A better goal is to be good at what you do. For me in the past Fedora has been very good to me. It is better to be good than popular.
First off, I should mention that system-config-printer isn't removed from Fedora, and the Printers panel is infinitely better integrated than system-config-printer ever was in GNOME.
Thanks for pointing out the bug, that helps us refocus when bugs like this slip through the cracks.
However, you're not CC:ed on the bug (where number of CC:ed does help a little bit gauge interest in a feature), which is probably the reason why the problem didn't get attention.
There's 2 other reasons why it might not be of such a huge interest from the majority of our users: - the rise of cheap wireless printers - the rise in ISP provided set top boxes which can handle being a print server (YMMV) - the fact that the feature only exports to MacOS X and Linux (through CUPS), and not Windows workstations, or smartphones. Maybe that's good enough, I don't know.
In short, CC: yourself on the upstream bug, and I'm sure there will be movement soon.
Cheers
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 05:26:07PM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
- the fact that the feature only exports to MacOS X and Linux (through CUPS), and not Windows workstations, or smartphones. Maybe that's good enough, I don't know.
Recent Windows versions (Vista+, I think) speak CUPS/IPP out-of-the-box. No idea about smartphones, though.
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On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 05:26:07PM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
- the fact that the feature only exports to MacOS X and Linux (through
CUPS), and not Windows workstations, or smartphones. Maybe that's good enough, I don't know.
Recent Windows versions (Vista+, I think) speak CUPS/IPP out-of-the-box. No idea about smartphones, though.
Whao, that's news to me. And device discovery is done through DNS-SD as well? Or it will need Samba to advertise it?
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 05:22:20AM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Whao, that's news to me. And device discovery is done through DNS-SD as well? Or it will need Samba to advertise it?
Not sure about discovery. At our faculty we use CUPS/IPP exclusively for student printing services and the setup instructions for Windows tell you to enter the hostname/URL manually. They're written in German, but here's something roughly equivalent from another university:
http://howto.ccs.neu.edu/howto/printing/adding-an-ipp-printer-queue-to-windo...
DNS-SD doesn't seem to be an option on Windows, at least out-of-the-box. There's still Apple's Bonjour for Windows, though.
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