desktop May 2007

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Playing with Big Board
by Rahul Sundaram 02 Jun '07

02 Jun '07

Hi I have been running Big Board ever since it was brought up on this list. Some questions and observations: Is this meant to replace both the top and bottom GNOME panels? I don't see a equivalent of a task bar if it's meant to replace them both. Why hasn't the package been submitted for review? The color on the panel is a plain white and doesn't match the rest of GNOME system colors. I see no way to move the panel around either. I can understand the lack of a quit option if it is meant to replace the panel. Is big board tied to mugshot? What if I don't have a mugshot account? Trying to change the pic shown on the identity, application descriptions, more button in calendar etc launches mugshot pages. The icons including facebook, flickr etc doesn't have any tooltips. The functionality of deskbar is not obvious. The more link on applications launches a side panel. The descriptions near the search button sometimes overflows the boundary. Example: Epiphany. Installing a new application via the menu launches a command line yum command. Though it works this is crude. You should be using the Yum API and integrating with Pirut instead. Clicking on another area of the desktop doesn't close this menu or even move it away which is annoying. There are three sections - applications, photos and calendar. If i don't intend to use any or all of these sections in the panel there is no way to remove them although clicking on it minimizing the section within the panel. Rahul

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install pam_keyring by default in the GNOME based live cd?
by Rahul Sundaram 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hi "PAM_KEYRING is a pam module that launches the gnome-keyring-daemon and then unlocks a keyring using your login password." http://www.hekanetworks.com/index.php/publisher/articleview/frmArticleID/25… Rahul

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Plans for the desktop beyond Fedora 7, status update
by Matthias Clasen 31 May '07

31 May '07

I thought it might be a good idea to catch the moment before the release of Fedora 7 to give a quick update on where we stand with respect to Fedora 8 features. I have also updated those feature pages with pointers to review bugs, etc, but here is a summary: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBigboard Havoc and his team have been really busy, and there will be bigboard packages for people to play with when rawhide reopens. An online-desktop package which provides further integration is currently under review. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureCodecBuddy The codeina package is currently under review and should land in rawhide shortly. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBluetooth Bastian has started to work on this; support for ObexFTP in gnome-vfs should land in rawhide tomorrow; and Bluetooth printer support is currently being integrated upstream. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePulseaudio Not much visible progress yet, but we have begun to make pulseaudio work nicely with fast-user-switching. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeaturePolicyKit David has it all worked out in his head :-) Code should start to appear in the next few weeks... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup We have started to prototype this, but there is not much to see yet, since we need modesetting in the kernel for this. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureNetworkManager http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDriverBuddy Nothing new here yet. All in all, quite a few new things to expect in rawhide soon, together with Gnome 2.19... Matthias

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Installing the Big Board part of online desktop
by Colin Walters 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hi, One thing we've been working on lately here on the Mugshot team is prototyping part of what an "online desktop" would be. For more information about the ideas behind the project, see Havoc's blog entry: http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3 If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this wiki page: http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board There are Fedora Core 6 RPMs available, with instructions on the page. You can also compile/install from source of course. I'm presently working on submitting some of the prerequisite RPMs to Fedora (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=235741), if someone out there is an RPM expert and could take a look at the pacakges that would rock. Let us know what you think! One important known bug worth mentioning here is currently it doesn't work correctly with Compiz: http://bugzilla.mugshot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1201

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Upgrade Issue FC5 to FC6
by Jim Duda 30 May '07

30 May '07

I recently upgraded to FC6 from FC5 via yum. All appeared fine for a few days. Today, my desktop was hosed. I finally figured out that I was missing the nautilus program. According to yum, nautilus was installed, however, the binary was missing from /usr/bin (maybe I deleted it accidentally somehow). Is there anyway to have yum scan all the rpms to make sure what should be installed is actually installed? Thanks, Jim

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shiny desktop, anyone?
by Valent Turkovic 28 May '07

28 May '07

On 5/23/07, Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com> wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:39 +0800, Ken YANG wrote: > > as we see, suse 10.2 has the animation grub, it looks good. > > > > can fedora has this kind of grub? > > > > We (the desktop team) hope to get rid of the grub menu in the default > boot sequence instead of making it nicer. See > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup > Great! Go desktop team, go! :) I really believe that presentation of linux is one of the most important things... it must be shiny and preeeeety :) Nice kernel hacks and speedups are nice... but those are things that most desktop users don't care and don't know even exist... but they know good interface and nice boot grub screen when they see one. So please make grub as nice as possible... the test of Fedora is really nice... I really like it graphically wise. I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: "This looks like windows 98." And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I saw UbuntuStudio theme, that is an other extreme... but still a good try. It is too dark an a bit too shiny... but I guess that that is what users expect to see. Just my 2c. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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shutdown compared ubuntu vs fedora
by Valent Turkovic 25 May '07

25 May '07

I used Mint Linux (ubuntu derivative) and loved it's shutdown button. This looks to me much more user friendly than one we have on Fedora. First buttons for shutdown, restart, sleep and log-off have icons - and fedora has only naked buttons. The screen dims when you click on shutdown - really nice effect. This looks to me as standard Ubuntu button and not something ubuntu has made them selves so I was puzzled when I didn't see it in Fedora 7 test 3 or 4. Can you also include this - a much better version of shutdown button than one fedora currently uses. It is much more usable, and user frendly - and it has logoff button integrated in it and not separate (as it should also be on fedora IMHO). Please look at the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWuZvOAAE9c Thank you. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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Re: network profiles - do they work for you? they are broken for me!
by Valent Turkovic 24 May '07

24 May '07

Can you please look at my youtube video and then respond if I use system-config-network how it is not supposed to be used or if system-config-network is broken? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoy9k5euZRQ On 5/17/07, John DeDourek <dedourek(a)unb.ca> wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Hi, > > I tried using network profiles on my Fedora Core 6 and Fedora 7 > > systems and they don't work for me. > > > > Can you tell me if you use network profiles build into > > system-config-network and system-control-network tools? > > > > When I use gui system-config-network to setup network profiles no > > matter which one I choose and edit I end up with all the profiles with > > the same settings! > > > > I can't setup two different profiles! > > > > Can you please explain how do you use network profiles via > > system-config-network ? > > > > Thank you. > > > First, I am doing this from home, from memory, so I can't > give you exact wordings of menu items, nor exact location > of menus. But this general procedure works for FC5. I can't > at the moment verify it for FC6 or FC7. > > I use the following procedure. > --I leave the configuration of all the interfaces as installed > --I leave the contents of the default profile as installed > > When I want a new profile, say for my home lan, using the > GUI: > -- Make a "copy" of the appropriate lan interface > -- Edit the copy of the lan interface (leaving the original > alone); I usually change the name of the interface from > the "Copy of eth0" to something like "HomeLan"; I also edit > whatever other features I want to select for the home LAN, > e.g. static or dynamic IP, etc. > -- Create a new profile, say HomeLan; it doesn't bother me > to have a profile and interface named the same; however > if you find that confusing, name the interface "HomeLanIface" > and name the profile "HomeLanProfile" > -- Make sure only the appropriate interface (e.g. HomeLan" is > now checked from the profile (HomeLan) > -- Save it; (I think File->Save > You're done > > What is hapening behind the scenes: > > Each of those interfaces is a script file containing bash > variable assignments. You need a separate file for the LAN > interface for each profile, because they need to have different > values assigned to the variables. When you say that all the > profiles are the same, I am presuming that you are not making > a separate copy of the interface for each profile. So of course, > you are always essentially constantly changing the values in > the one and only interface file. These files are kept somewhere > like /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ > > Each of the profiles is a directory, I think under > /etc/sysconfig/networking/profiles/ In that directory is > a symbolic link to each of the "device" files that is > configured for that interface. > > When you switch profiles, the "device" files (which are > named something like "ifcfg-HomeLanIface") for the old > profile are deleted from /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ and > the "device" files for the new profile are copied in. > Actually, I think that's wrong; the scripts are probably not > copied, but links are created. I seem to recall that they > are hard links rather than symbolic links. > > BTW, if you use the commands /sbin/ifup and /sbin/ifdown rather > than the GUI to bring the interfaces up and down, use the > device name (interface name) that you created in the GUI, > not the Linux interface name as you would use it in > /sbin/ifconfig. That is, use > /sbin/ifup HomeLanIface > /sbin/ifdown HomeLanIface > > Hope this is useful to you. > > -- > fedora-list mailing list > fedora-list(a)redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list > -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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will there be a "cd/dvd burning application" in Fedora 7?
by Valent Turkovic 20 May '07

20 May '07

Will there be a "cd/dvd burning application" in Fedora 7? I don't see any "cd/dvd burning application" in gnome menu after a clean Fedora 7 test 4 install. Why is that? I know nautilus has burning functionality - but usability wise it is terrible located and I can bet that no standard user will ever find it. Don't you do usability testing? Put a your mum, dad or some fiends and ask them do try and burn a dvd or cd... and watch what they do. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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fedora 6/7 - why do you ignore k3b by default?
by Valent Turkovic 20 May '07

20 May '07

Why isn't the best burning software on by default on new fedora 6/7 installations? Is there some particular reason? I see k3b as the best cd/dvd burning app and it should be installed by default IMHO. Also when it is installed by hand it still doesn't play well on Fedora 6/7 desktops. I posted a bug for it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240097 Can you please give a bit more of much needed attention to k3b? Thank you very much. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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