Kevin wrote:

Seems like the Fedora Art-workers didn't released enough Fedora-style artworks. The only things I can see with the Fedora-style are - graphical boot, graphical login, gnome splash screen, and the default wallpaper.

I made the Fedora artwork available at: http://people.redhat.com/~glesage/artwork/Fedora/

It includes all the icons, etc. I have been working on for a while now.

I really hope that's "enough"... as there isn't really much more Fedora source artwork to release. (:

Garrett

On Jan 8, 2004, at 3:06 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:

Before we start mocking things up - can we get a consensus (or a decision from Garrett) on whether or not we even want/need Fedora artwork on the Apache error pages?

I don't think it is necessary. If there are nice looking error pages, that would be great, but I think there are some more important things to concentrate on.

If you (or anyone) would like to make the error pages look nicer (and fit within the general Bluecurve style), I would try to get them included.

Error pages, however, are supposed to be pretty minimal, as you don't want to load a 200k image just for it to say "oops!"

Still, I'm not going to discourage anyone from trying to improve various parts of Fedora. It would be something (if implemented nicely) that would be nice to include. (:

Garrett

On Jan 9, 2004, at 9:07 AM, Simon Perreault wrote:

On January 8, 2004 17:40, Garrett LeSage wrote:

...

Error pages, however, are supposed to be pretty minimal, as you don't want to load a 200k image just for it to say "oops!"

If this is done, please put them in a separate RPM, not directly into httpd. Have it use a separate configuration file in /etc/httpd/conf.d so that it is easy to enable/disable.

If it is done, then it shouldn't be such a burden so that it needs to be in a separate RPM with its own config file. It shouldn't be totally separate. It should be very minimal and a sane default; nothing gaudy and obtrusive at all -- just a nicer (yet still minimalistic) version of a default page.

Garrett

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 16:30, Nando wrote:

Ok, so here it is a sample of i was talking about. I's quite simple.

http://icewind.no.sapo.pt/error404.png

My intencion, was to have a rpm that installed this, changing the default ones, that apache brings.

Making this optional.

IMHO, that example is worse than the default error page. Most people do not know what "Error 404" means.

Hypothetically, a simple improvement to the default 404 message could be s/URL/(document|file), followed by an explanatory statement like, "You may have typed the wrong web address."

Also, looking at /var/www/error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var, there are a number of translations that should be taken into account, further complicating things.

Just as fedora artwork is designed with consistency in mind, it is up to an individual website to design error pages consistent with the rest of their website. The default error pages are clean and functional.

I agree also, that was only a an example of what i meant by a graphical page. Something with a logo representing Fedora. Of course it misses there a small explanation of what caused the error, and so on. But if it was to use already done things, it was better to continue with the default apache error pages.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marky Goldstein" ready@rosa.com To: fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Graphic Apache Error Pages.

I agree that communication and usability of such pages, wizards, etc. must be much clearer and tested in public. Remember, we are here to build the best system for our grandmas.

greets, marky

Jonathan Marc Bearak wrote:

...

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 16:30, Nando wrote:

...

Ok, so here it is a sample of i was talking about. I's quite simple.

http://icewind.no.sapo.pt/error404.png

My intencion, was to have a rpm that installed this, changing the

default

...

...

ones, that apache brings.

Making this optional.

IMHO, that example is worse than the default error page. Most people do not know what "Error 404" means.

Hypothetically, a simple improvement to the default 404 message could be s/URL/(document|file), followed by an explanatory statement like, "You may have typed the wrong web address."

Also, looking at /var/www/error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var, there are a number of translations that should be taken into account, further complicating things.

Just as fedora artwork is designed with consistency in mind, it is up to an individual website to design error pages consistent with the rest of their website. The default error pages are clean and functional.

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I'm not a linux guru or anything but i have been using fedora lately and i like it because of the availiblity of the latest packages (although i do not yet see kde 3.2 rc1). IMHO anyone that is making a website which is availible to the internet (ie not a home lan or something) will probably go to the trouble of changing their error page to be more like the rest of their site. Otherwise the site will probably only be accessed at 10/100 mbit. So even 500kb wouldn't be over the top. I have little experience in what the majority of users use their fedora servers for, but mine is for serving up howtos, games-patches, etc. at LAN's. So for me or anyone i know, a good graphical error page would be nice.

Just my 2 cents, Darren

Nando wrote:

I agree also, that was only a an example of what i meant by a graphical page. Something with a logo representing Fedora. Of course it misses there a small explanation of what caused the error, and so on. But if it was to use already done things, it was better to continue with the default apache error pages.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Marky Goldstein" ready@rosa.com To: fedora-desktop-list@redhat.com Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Graphic Apache Error Pages.

...

I agree that communication and usability of such pages, wizards, etc. must be much clearer and tested in public. Remember, we are here to build the best system for our grandmas.

greets, marky

Jonathan Marc Bearak wrote:

...

On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 16:30, Nando wrote:

...

Ok, so here it is a sample of i was talking about. I's quite simple.

http://icewind.no.sapo.pt/error404.png

My intencion, was to have a rpm that installed this, changing the

default

...

...

...

ones, that apache brings.

Making this optional.

IMHO, that example is worse than the default error page. Most people do not know what "Error 404" means.

Hypothetically, a simple improvement to the default 404 message could be s/URL/(document|file), followed by an explanatory statement like, "You may have typed the wrong web address."

Also, looking at /var/www/error/HTTP_NOT_FOUND.html.var, there are a number of translations that should be taken into account, further complicating things.

Just as fedora artwork is designed with consistency in mind, it is up to an individual website to design error pages consistent with the rest of their website. The default error pages are clean and functional.

-- R.Ø.S.A. Identity: Marky Goldstein E-Mail: ready@rosa.com Task: Managing Director

R.Ø.S.A. Creation. Technology. Intelligence. AG Seefeldstrasse 231, 8008 Zurich, Switzerland Phone: +41 1 389 63 33 Fax: +41 1 389 63 30 URL: http://www.rosa.com/

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