Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
Jens went ahead and did this unilaterally and Matthias reverted it, which is understandable, but what we're not sure of is whether Matthias was worried only about the unilateral nature of Jens' move or whether you really want to keep command-not-found on the live spin. We'd probably prefer to take it out, since it's just too buggy: it's a great concept, but it breaks far too easily at the moment, I've seen it cause the yum database to be stuck for a long time and someone else on the bug has seen it peg out all his CPUs. It just seems too fragile to have it around by default yet.
But we didn't want to just get involved in a revert war, so we're trying to get an opinion. We're probably going to have to do an RC4 spin and it's going to have to be within the next few hours, that's our window for this change; so if you could reply in the next few hours that'd be great. Thanks!
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 13:03 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.
And Richard was so nice to look into the problems first thing Monday morning. Here
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=140408
is a build that fixes a lot of the issues. There is at least one more build coming to fix the more cosmetic issues (newlines, etc). I'm confident we'll have a 0-day update that will make PK-command-not-found work acceptably.
Thanks for insisting on quality !
Matthias
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 08:48 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 13:03 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
never mind, we're going to go ahead and keep it.
And Richard was so nice to look into the problems first thing Monday morning. Here
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=140408
is a build that fixes a lot of the issues. There is at least one more build coming to fix the more cosmetic issues (newlines, etc). I'm confident we'll have a 0-day update that will make PK-command-not-found work acceptably.
Thanks for insisting on quality !
sounds great, thanks.
I think the biggest problem for the live CD is that it gives you no idea when it's 'processing' (checking yum info), so if you boot live, and type a command that doesn't exist...you get to sit at a console that just says 'Command not found.' for about 3 minutes while it goes out and gets yum metadata. It's easy to assume it's just broken. A big help for updaters and future releases would just be for it to indicate that it's searching.
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 07:38 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
I think the biggest problem for the live CD is that it gives you no idea when it's 'processing' (checking yum info), so if you boot live, and type a command that doesn't exist...you get to sit at a console that just says 'Command not found.' for about 3 minutes while it goes out and gets yum metadata. It's easy to assume it's just broken. A big help for updaters and future releases would just be for it to indicate that it's searching.
After a quick conference with Richard, I just committed a change to the kickstart file to turn off command-not-found on the uninstalled live image. We already turn off all the rest of PackageKit and, as you noticed, command-not-found causes long waits because it has to download repodata that would normally be available locally on an installed system, but is missing on the live image.
Matthias
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 10:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
After a quick conference with Richard, I just committed a change to the kickstart file to turn off command-not-found on the uninstalled live image. We already turn off all the rest of PackageKit and, as you noticed, command-not-found causes long waits because it has to download repodata that would normally be available locally on an installed system, but is missing on the live image.
Might be too late for that change, since I've already made a number of the live images and they're being tested, but I'll see if QA will take a late shuffle on live images.
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 12:23 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Hi, guys. Jesse and I would like to get an opinion from the desktop team on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=533553 - the request to drop PackageKit-command-not-found from the desktop spin.
Jens went ahead and did this unilaterally and Matthias reverted it, which is understandable, but what we're not sure of is whether Matthias was worried only about the unilateral nature of Jens' move or whether you really want to keep command-not-found on the live spin. We'd probably prefer to take it out, since it's just too buggy: it's a great concept, but it breaks far too easily at the moment, I've seen it cause the yum database to be stuck for a long time and someone else on the bug has seen it peg out all his CPUs. It just seems too fragile to have it around by default yet.
But we didn't want to just get involved in a revert war, so we're trying to get an opinion. We're probably going to have to do an RC4 spin and it's going to have to be within the next few hours, that's our window for this change; so if you could reply in the next few hours that'd be great. Thanks!
There's no way to have a discussion about this 'within the next few hours'. It is weekend, and some people try to have a few hours off on those...
If you ask me, it is just too late to make a giant stink about a minor thing. We could have had this discussion after the beta, but nobody complained then. Now we are post-RC, and suddenly people propose drastic measures with deadlines of only a few hours.
I've asked Richard to look at doing a 0-day update to fix the more serious problems.
Matthias
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 16:51 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote:
There's no way to have a discussion about this 'within the next few hours'. It is weekend, and some people try to have a few hours off on those...
I know, but it was worth asking to see if anyone was around to give some input.
If you ask me, it is just too late to make a giant stink about a minor thing. We could have had this discussion after the beta, but nobody complained then. Now we are post-RC, and suddenly people propose drastic measures with deadlines of only a few hours.
I've asked Richard to look at doing a 0-day update to fix the more serious problems.
right - as I followed-up a few minutes later, we agreed and we're leaving it in there.
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