FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
josh
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FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
Cheers
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
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FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
95% of the discussion happened on the thread Christian started on the advisory-board list, Subject: Proposal: Revision of policy surrounding 3rd party and non-free software
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2014-January/thread...
josh
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
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On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
See the last paragraph here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in the first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for managing sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
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On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
See the last paragraph here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in the first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for managing sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for tracking purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed to advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need to be solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking without a tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic expectation.
josh
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On 01/23/2014 09:26 AM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
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On 01/23/2014 09:09 AM, drago01 wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
See the last paragraph here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board#Contact
In short, this probably shouldn't have been filed as a ticket in the first place, since the Trac instance exists solely for managing sensitive topics (such as legal issues).
That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for tracking purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed to advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need to be solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking without a tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic expectation.
Then someone should probably update the Wiki to reflect that.
Also, I spotted https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2011-January/010287... in a Google search which suggests making the instance public with private_tickets available instead of fully private. Probably worth looking into that.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
That's incorrect. The existence of a ticket can be used for tracking purposes while the discussion of an item can be directed to advisory-board. Tickets exist because they are issues that need to be solved. Expecting the Board to do all of its issue tracking without a tool that helps with issue tracking is an unrealistic expectation.
Then someone should probably update the Wiki to reflect that.
Clarified.
josh
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public. All other conversations are directed to the advisory-board list, as this one was.
josh
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of trac before it could happen.
josh
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:21 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message ----- > FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in > #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket > that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of trac before it could happen.
OK.
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:23:19AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of trac before it could happen.
We could create a public mailing list and Cc: non-sensitive tickets to it.
On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 10:23 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
No. Trac is horrible and doesn't let you do that. This has been suggested already. As Stephen pointed out, it might be worth looking again at upstream trac but that would still require a new rollout of trac before it could happen.
There are several trac plugins available for use on fedorahosted trac instances - you might want to check if any of these would address the problem. The set does get gradually expanded over time (I've had two plugins added in the last year for the purpose of QA and Badges tracs, for instance). I don't happen to know off the top of my head if any of the plugins available would allow you to achieve the desired result, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message -----
FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
It was discussed several time by Board but Trac does not support it. At least that time it was not possible. If anyone is able to work on support for private tickets, it would be awesome.
Jaroslav
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On 01/23/2014 10:35 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
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On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:09 AM, drago01 drago01@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Bastien Nocera bnocera@redhat.com wrote:
----- Original Message ----- > FYI, there will be a Board meeting today at 19:00 UTC > in #fedora-meeting-1 on freenode to discuss the 3rd > party repo ticket that was submitted. Please join if > you can.
Second time I've read about this ticket, and haven't seen a URL yet.
Could you send the link?
https://fedorahosted.org/board/ticket/169 however the Board trac instance is private and you will not be able to read it.
What? Why? This somehow contradicts the openness Fedora stands for ...
This is not a new development. The Board trac instance has been private since it was created. The Board at times deals with legal issues of a sensitive nature that cannot be discussed in public.
OK fair enough but can't this sensitive tickets (like legal ones) be marked as private (not sure if trac allows that like you can do in bugzilla) and leave other ones like this one public?
It was discussed several time by Board but Trac does not support it. At least that time it was not possible. If anyone is able to work on support for private tickets, it would be awesome.
Modern versions of Trac (0.11 and later) can install the http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/PrivateTicketsPlugin for this purpose.
Since the Board Trac instance reports: Powered by Trac 0.12.5
I should think this would be pretty straightforward.
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:00:55 -0500 Stephen Gallagher sgallagh@redhat.com wrote:
Modern versions of Trac (0.11 and later) can install the for this purpose.
Since the Board Trac instance reports: Powered by Trac 0.12.5
I should think this would be pretty straightforward.
ok, lets have this discussion again then, perhaps we could make a wiki page/faq this time?
The board trac instance _is_ using the private tickets plugin. Thats whats doing the private part now. Only people with the right trac permission (the board members) and people on cc or reporter can see them. There's no way with this plugin to later then decide a ticket shouldn't be private and can be viewed by everyone. At least not without further making all existing tickets viewable by everyone. At least I don't see a way to do that...
Additionally, there is another plugin called 'sensitive tickets': http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/SensitiveTicketsPlugin This adds a checkbox a reporter could use to mark the ticket 'sensitive' and then only people in the sensitive group can see them. This however depends on the reporter setting that checkbox. It also sends emails as normal so people on cc/reporter/anylists will still get changes. Also, it fails to open instead of closed. If theres a problem with it, it shows the ticket instead of not.
Open to implementing any found solutions... but they might be better proposed on the infrastructure list.
kevin
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