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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : G11N (L10N focused)
by Pravin Satpute 27 Jul '16

27 Jul '16

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: G11N (L10N focused) on 2016-07-27 from 21:00:00 to 22:00:00 UTC At fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: Fedora Globalization meeting focused on Localization and Zanata. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2016-05-04](https://fedoraproj… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/3919/

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Introduction. (Alberto Castillo)
by alberto castillo gordón 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Hello, My name is Alberto Castillo (acastillogordon), current member of Fedora Panama community and software engineering student. The programming languages I use the most are C/C++ and Python. I'm looking forward helping translate to Spanish by joining the translators team. I also hope I get to meet some of you by contributing to the project. Regards, Alberto Castillo -- alberto castillo gordón fedora · estudiante · desarrollador · escritor tel. (+507) 6735 - 7501 sitio web. http://albertocg.com

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G11N (L10N) meetup at FLOCK 2016
by Noriko Mizumoto 26 Jul '16

26 Jul '16

Hi translators Many of you already have followed similar subject posts in G11N ml, but just let me allow to remind for the others who might miss out that thread. There is the meetup plan at coming FLOCK for everyone of L10N, I18N, FLTG and Zanata teams [1]. It is excellent opportunity to meet and know each other, shaking hands or hugging each other :-) Then we can discuss about our translation schedule, plan and future. Could you please add your name in 'Members'[1] if you attend FLOCK 2016? Looking forward to seeing you! [1]:https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetup_Flock_2016 cheers noriko

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Mismatch in FAS name (Early - Re: Zanata fail login)
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 25 Jul '16

25 Jul '16

On 25 July 2016 at 08:02, Alex Eng <aeng(a)redhat.com> wrote: > For the time being, try to make sure the username in fedora.zanata.org > and FAS is the same when register as new user. > For existing users that are having problem, I suspect it might be due to > username changes in FAS, in which we might need to update the username in > fedora.zanata.org > > Btw Frederico, can you please try to login again with username '*fredlima* > ' > Is this because any progress on https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/22? Will be nice to get update on ticket. Thanks, Pravin > > > --------------------------------------------- > > Alex Eng > Senior Software Engineer > Globalisation Tools Engineering > DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> > Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> > > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd > Level 1, 193 North Quay > Brisbane 4000 > Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> > Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> > Website: www.redhat.com > > On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:42 AM, Abdel G. Martínez L. < > abdel.g.martinez.l(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Alex. I know this solves Frederico specific-case but what about the >> others? What would be the approach? >> >> 2016-07-24 20:33 GMT-05:00 Alex Eng <aeng(a)redhat.com>: >> >>> Yes, it will be a problem if the username doesn't match. >>> I will need to update your username to 'fredlima' to make it work. >>> >>> Will keep you updated. >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Alex Eng >>> Senior Software Engineer >>> Globalisation Tools Engineering >>> DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> >>> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> >>> >>> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd >>> Level 1, 193 North Quay >>> Brisbane 4000 >>> Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> >>> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> >>> Website: www.redhat.com >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Frederico Lima < >>> fredlima(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>> >>>> No, my FAS account name is fredlima and fred on zanata, >>>> >>>> but this was not a problem for translating so many things until 2 weeks >>>> ago. >>>> >>>> Maybe this is a problem now? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Em 24-07-2016 22:19, Alex Eng escreveu: >>>> >>>> Frederico, >>>> >>>> Is your username for FAS account "fred"? >>>> >>>> The username needs to match in both Zanata and FAS. Also, did you >>>> update anything recently? >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Alex Eng >>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>> Globalisation Tools Engineering >>>> DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> >>>> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> >>>> >>>> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd >>>> Level 1, 193 North Quay >>>> Brisbane 4000 >>>> Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> >>>> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> >>>> Website: www.redhat.com >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Frederico Lima < >>>> fredlima(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sure Alex, >>>>> >>>>> no success. >>>>> :( >>>>> >>>>> Em 24-07-2016 22:03, Alex Eng escreveu: >>>>> >>>>> Frederico, >>>>> >>>>> Can you try to logout from FAS before trying to login in Zanata? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Alex Eng >>>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>>> Globalisation Tools Engineering >>>>> DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> >>>>> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> >>>>> >>>>> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd >>>>> Level 1, 193 North Quay >>>>> Brisbane 4000 >>>>> Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> >>>>> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> >>>>> Website: www.redhat.com >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Frederico Lima < >>>>> fredlima(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a new screencast for those who think that even with the >>>>>> message 'Login Failed' I'm logged in. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I'm not. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://fredlima.fedorapeople.org/screencast/screencast-zanata-failed-login… >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> Em 24-07-2016 20:57, Alex Eng escreveu: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Fred, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a quick look at your account seems fine in Zanata. Can you try >>>>>> to login in FAS using the same credential? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> Alex Eng >>>>>> Senior Software Engineer >>>>>> Globalisation Tools Engineering >>>>>> DID: +61 3514 8262 <callto:+61+3514+8262> >>>>>> Mobile: +614 2335 3457 <callto:+614+2335+3457> >>>>>> >>>>>> Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd >>>>>> Level 1, 193 North Quay >>>>>> Brisbane 4000 >>>>>> Office: +61 7 3514 8100 <callto:+61+7+3514+8100> >>>>>> Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 <callto:+61+7+3514+8199> >>>>>> Website: www.redhat.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 12:09 PM, Frederico Lima < >>>>>> fredlima(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> about two weeks I can't login on Zanata, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried to clean my browser cache, also I tried do login with >>>>>>> private mode in firefox, but without success to login. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> so I search the list archives and I found a message explaining that >>>>>>> this happen due to the slow response from Fedora open id service causing >>>>>>> Zanata to fail login. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Someone are having this kind of issue? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What can I do to log me in? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> trans mailing list >>>>>>> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> trans mailing listtrans@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> trans mailing list >>>>>> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> trans mailing listtrans@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> trans mailing list >>>>> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>> >>>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> trans mailing listtrans@lists.fedoraproject.orghttps://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> trans mailing list >>>> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>>> >>>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> trans mailing list >>> trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Abdel G. 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[Bug 1236278] New: Update the words in Marathi spell check
by Red Hat Bugzilla 24 Jul '16

24 Jul '16

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1236278 Bug ID: 1236278 Summary: Update the words in Marathi spell check Product: Fedora Localization Component: Other language Severity: low Assignee: dimitris(a)glezos.com Reporter: shantanu.oak(a)gmail.com QA Contact: aalam(a)redhat.com CC: dimitris(a)glezos.com, piotrdrag(a)gmail.com, trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Description of problem: The words found in current hunspell are not enough. Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): All versions How reproducible: Try marathi spell check in Libre office. Actual results: Unsatisfactory options Expected results: Better suggestions. Additional info: Add all the verified words from this link: http://bit.ly/1NmNMJd -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug. Unsubscribe from this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/token.cgi?t=C8kMP3BVwj&a=cc_unsubscribe

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Re: Spam problems ==> Even harder to be a contributor for translations...
by Noriko Mizumoto 18 Jul '16

18 Jul '16

On 2016年07月18日 14:46, Parag Nemade wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 11:46 PM, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft > <jean-baptiste(a)holcroft.fr> wrote: >> No offense, but you're a technical expert and used to Fedora's way of >> working ;) > > Sure, being a technical expert I know the things so I may see them easy. > >> Plus, you analyzed a process and did not experienced it as the target : >> newcomer who knows nothing about Fedora process/rules and would like to >> correct something or help translating something he likes. > > Yes I analysed to give you overview and want to understand which exact > part it takes time. There are 2 things here one from fedora-infra and > other from L10N group. > >> >> I remember my registering last year and it is not as easy has it looks like. >> It was confirmed by two newcomers in french team. >> If the wiki needs the contributor to be in a dedicated group, I think it's >> time to discuss process, make it easier and to document it. > > So here I feel you found issues in L10N process and not related to > fedora-infra fas creation, bugzilla account creation etc. Hi, I added trans at list mailing list. I understand the sentence as, if a translator wants to edit the wiki page he/she is required to obtain certain FAS group membership. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding. This process involves fedora-infra or FAS. Btw I don't see any wrong in this process... > >> >> I think nobody knows what "cvsl10n" means anymore and the vocable is >> changing a lot from Coordinator, Sponsor, Maintainer, Administrator (I >> discovered this one today). Now, you're talking about "Leaders", are they >> the same ? > > > Yes. They are same. Here I meant by Leaders mean people who have > powers to sponsor in a cvsl10n group, people who are active > (maintainers/co-ordinators) and work together currently for L10N only > these people know what is happening currently in L10N. I see Parag has already given good information here. Just let me add some information I know. 'Sponsor' is used in FAS. 'Coordinator' is used widely in L10N team, referring a leader or senior who can support other translators in the team. 'Maintainer' means same with 'Coordinator, which would be obsolete term but can not be removed if it is the part of page link. > >> How to we change responsibilities from one to another ? And what can we do >> if one coordinator/sponsor/leader/... don't answer anymore so we make sure >> no contributor is neglected ? It would be best that current coordinator nominate new coordinator and announce in trans at list when he wants to retire. >> >> It's even harder for contributors to understand the limit between the >> translation platform we use as a tool and Zanata as a independent project. >> Plus, it's hard for a coordinator to understand what tools does he have to >> manage something (not a lot actually). >> >> All l10n groups looks out of date (names are very old, so are links and the >> percentage of unapproved subscription is very high, witch _may_ mean : no >> more management) : >> >> cvsl10n >> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/cvsl10n?_csrf_token=abe…> >> Translation CVS Commit Group cvs cla_done This is valid, afaik, translator who likes to give a edit needs to join. >> gitman-pages-l10n >> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitman-pages-l10n?_csrf…> >> gitman-pages-l10n git cla_done The owner is Tagoh, please contact him for detail. >> l10n-admin >> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/l10n-admin?_csrf_token=…> >> l10n Admin Group tracking cla_done Assuming that this group was used to manage transifex. I think this group can be closed/removed. >> l10n-commits >> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/l10n-commits?_csrf_toke…> >> l10n Commit Group tracking None This group was for tracking some commits, but no longer valid. >> l10n-editor >> <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/l10n-editor?_csrf_token…> >> Localization (L10n) Editors tracking cla_done Again it seems transifex related, pls contact the owner. >> >> >> Note that the "L10N/Guide" page says everyone has to be in cvsl10n but the >> "L10N maintainer" page may be understood that it is to be maintainer. This page is obsolete. Please refer new one updated by our community translators. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata >> >> What's the purpose of creating a component in bugzilla if we have no mailing >> list to be warned ? For example, if one finds bad translation via QA test or daily use and would like to report, he/she can choose the language component. >> What makes a languages dead or alive ? What is the purpose to make a language dead, even it can possibly come to life sometime later? >> >> If we have to create one or many groups, can we take benefit of it ? In >> knowing who are the contacts, responsibilities, reach them, sync with >> fedora.zanata ? >> >> BTW, why do we have private mailing lists ? It already sounds weir as >> open-source contribution/discussions should be public by default and private >> by exception, but even more since hyperkitty can't register anymore, you may >> try with trans-pl being registered or not : >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/?count=200&sort=name&page=3 Making a mailing list public or private depends on each team's decision. >> >> >> It's a lot of questions and I think we should admit it isn't easy to come >> and contribute Fedora translations and to understand how does it works. >> This spam issue looks like a good opportunity to make it easier (maybe not >> by deleting steps, but by making it smoother, more consistent). > Sure, all good questions not spam at all :-) noriko > > Sounds like a many question which really need answers from L10N group. > I am not the person who can reply for this. Let's wait for someone > from L10N to reply. > > Regards, > Parag. > _______________________________________________ > g11n mailing list > g11n(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n@lists.fedoraproject.org >

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Spam problems ==> Even harder to be a contributor for translations...
by Jean-Baptiste 17 Jul '16

17 Jul '16

Hi there, because of spam, contributors need to be in one of the special groups to edit wiki (often annotated as CLA+1). Most of the translation contributors aren't in those groups... Localization team engagement is already difficult : create FAS, create bugzilla, register at trans, register at trans-LOCALE, introduce yourself, log in Zanata with FAS, as to be added. It can take days, if you do it right, because if you start register with zanata, then subscribe with your email to trans then create fas, then realise your login is already taken, you'll lose a lot of time... Do someone have an idea about how to make this easier ? All the details are here : https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/5398 At the moment, the only one we currently have dedicated to translators is cvsl10n. But I'm not sure the answer is to have every contributors in cvsl10n group or in cvsl10n-LOCALE would make it more simply. -- Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

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How to have every ABRT strings translated ? You can't, but you can still do a lot !
by Jean-Baptiste 16 Jul '16

16 Jul '16

Dear translator teams, The ABRT developers updated strings and added retrace-server to Zanata. To target 100% of translated strings, there is 4 projects to survey : https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/abrt https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/gnome-abrt https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/libreport https://fedora.zanata.org/project/view/retrace-server Please note: ..having 4 different projects asks to be more careful about global consistency, ..words can be difficult to translate (coredump, backtrace, ...), some languages won't take the risk but I invite you to find the best suited word with your community. ..a few strings are coming from kernel, you won't be able to translate it, even if shown in user interface Here are the details : https://github.com/abrt/abrt/issues/1157 Btw, retrace-server is in website group, but I don't know why. Can someone explain who manage groups and fix it ? Enjoy, -- Jean-Baptiste Holcroft

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[Bug 1355622] New: French L10N Team Maintainer - cvsl10n group
by Red Hat Bugzilla 13 Jul '16

13 Jul '16

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1355622 Bug ID: 1355622 Summary: French L10N Team Maintainer - cvsl10n group Product: Fedora Localization Component: l10n-requests Assignee: dimitris(a)glezos.com Reporter: jb.holcroft(a)gmail.com QA Contact: aalam(a)redhat.com CC: diegobz(a)gmail.com, dimitris(a)glezos.com, fedora(a)couf.be, piotrdrag(a)gmail.com, trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Hi, in order to be able to publish fedora dedicated content to help the coordination of the French team, I would like to be added in the cvsl10n group. Thanks for your help, Note : * i'm following this process : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Maintainer * I did edit L10N_Teams : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Teams -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.

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Any host translation meeting this week?
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 12 Jul '16

12 Jul '16

Hi All, We used to have it at 04:30UTC on Wed. Unfortunately i will not able to host it this week. Anyone else interested to do so? From topic side, we do have few in line. Discussed few with Jean and on mailing list earlier. 1. trans bug list to track translations bugs 2. fedorahosted trac specific for trans. 3. Any other topic.. Thanks, Pravin Satpute

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