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translate.fp.org icons next to names of modules
by Bukovansky Richard 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

Hello, could anyone please explain me what those red stop signs with texts: "Errors while running 'intltool-update -m' check" and "Can't generate POT file, using old one." next ot module name mean? And I guess that yellow exclamation mark with text "Entry for this language is not present in LINGUAS file." can be easily corrected with adding language I'm translating to in that LINGUAS files. Am I correct? Thank you. Regards, -- Bukovansky Richard richard.bukovansky(a)atlas.cz

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I want to maintain Simplified Chinese team on translation.fp.o
by Yuan Yijun 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

Hi, I want to maintain or lead the Simplified Chinese team on http://translate.fedoraproject.org , act as a coordinator and translator. I have setup my account according to fp.o/L10N/Join, would anyone help me with all the following things? Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^

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Re: web/flpweb/po LINGUAS,1.9,1.10
by Yuan Yijun 27 Aug '07

27 Aug '07

2007/8/26, Yuan Yijun <bbbush(a)fedoraproject.org>: > Author: bbbush > > Update of /cvs/l10n/web/flpweb/po > In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5247/po > > Modified Files: > LINGUAS > Log Message: > zh_CN has over 90% > > Hi, I have 2 problems * how to make it available on the web (i.e. take effect)? * the POT might be updated, how to update to latest POT? Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^

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[Announcement] Fedora Weekly News Issue 100 in Czech language
by Bukovansky Richard 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

Hello everyone, for those interested just a little announcement: The Fedora Weekly News Issue 100 was translated to Czech language and published on fedora.cz Wiki page: http://wiki.fedora.cz/doku.php?id=tydenik:tydenikfedory100 Thanks goes to all FWN editors for hard work. Thank you. -- Bukovansky Richard richard.bukovansky(a)atlas.cz

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system-config-boot
by Domingo Becker 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

Where do I get system-config-boot from ? I'm using cvs and I can't find it in i18n.redhat.com. regards Domingo Becker

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Translation Quick Start Guide
by Noriko Mizumoto 23 Aug '07

23 Aug '07

Hi Splitting main file into multiple files has just been completed now. All files have been added and committed in existing translataion-quick-start/ directory. I have successfully built english, so hopefully everything should work. * File structure Since most of works were cut&paste, it may look ugly somewhere. Please feel free to make it nicer. * po/ directory for translation I have not touched at all as no idea how makefile works with. Could someone please have a look and fix accordingly? * Update each chapter Please grab any file and make update. Before you work, please insert your name beside of the chapter at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG. Once finish, do not forget to update rpm-info.xml. * Expand the guide Please feel free to add new file as new chapter. Before you work, please add new chapter name and insert your name beside it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG. Once finish, do not forget to update Makefile and rpm-info.xml. cheers noriko

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FLP Meeting 2007-08-21 Summary
by Peter Reuschlein 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Attendees: - ---------- Stavros Giannouris (el) PiotrDrÄ…g (pl) RobertScheck (de) Peter Reuschlein (de) Dimitris Glezos (el) Summary: - -------- * gelzos will contact harald (maintainer of the s-c-network package) to sort out what the current problem is. * glezos will update the translation page with a more detailed information about translation freeze * (warren) If you are not receiving a prompt and responsible response to pulling in translations especially before a key deadline, make sure a Bugzilla ticket is filed and CC katzj(a)redhat.com. Poke jeremy directly and make sure he sees it. He will beat people into action. * need to update the tqsg (noriko is already on that) * transifex should be online before the translation freeze * mustu will help with the guides Hope i got everything.. hf -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQCVAwUBRstNGjnwwNcg15UnAQK36AP+PEeHyhWgRzlxu+hd8BBu87DQvOEw/2zn JfQqkYyHQ7g2Ie1ZSPAT3AJuoRqMuhjpVi4vCY+U4ffBpAGD3cNC5SVulEKjCefF WusnCQpweEw8VUByFsmGCzC6TgYPWEKRrmKbvMiKGdbOPq1R/1pGkmf59+LzKSsa 8akWV5j9Ar0= =1DmT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ruined my ssh keys! help
by Mustafa Qasim 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

Hello! I completed all the steps to join fedora project and succesfully completed my CLA. After that I requested to join the l10n project and got accepted. Then I read the Translation-Quick-Start-Guide and start following the steps. I read there to go to http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-signup/ (Just Now i came to know that this step is not necessary for new commers) . I fill out the form there and put my public ssh key there but it returned me the error that my ssh key is not valid. I tried a couple of times then I recreat my ssh keys with the command suggested at that page "ssh-keygen -t dsa" and overwrited my old ssh keys......here the problem start... now i came to know that i had done a mistake by overwriting my old ssh keys. now when i am trying to test my CVS access I am getting permission denied error... [mustafa@mustu ~]$ cvs co web Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) can I connect to CVS by attaching my new public ssh key in my accoutn system. Will it upgrade my accoutn system with the new public ssh key?? -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info Registered Linux User# 441709.

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FLP Meeting 2007-08-21 IRC log
by Peter Reuschlein 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

Hi here the Meeting Log from #fedora-meeting 2007/08/21 —› topic: (glezos) changes topic to (Fedora Localization Project meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings) (glezos) <meeting> (glezos) Hey all, who's here? (cell) hi glezos (stavrosg) Stavros Giannouris (el) • ln- _o/ (Raven46) PiotrDrÄ…g (pl) (stavrosg) hello evreyone (runa_b) RunaBhattacharjee (bn_IN) (rsc) RobertScheck (de) - but not involved into the project itself (just curious) (petreu) Peter Reuschlein (de) (stavrosg) everyone* —› topic: (glezos) changes topic to (Fedora Localization Project meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda) (glezos) Cool, hey all (glezos) wazzaaa (runa_b) hello :) (Raven46) hi all :) (petreu) nothn watchn the game havn a bud ... (glezos) petreu, :) (glezos) Who'll grab the log for today and send it to the list? (petreu) hmm i can (glezos) I've grouped the steps needed at the bottom of the Meetings page (glezos) petreu, thanks (glezos) So, recaping from the previous meeting (glezos) Here's the summary: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2007-August/msg00026.html (glezos) noriko isn't around (glezos) runa_b and I have worked a bit on the guidelines (glezos) Here's the link: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/ResourceMaintainers (glezos) I think everything was accomplished *except* me sending that email for outdated translations for TQSG :/ (glezos) Writing a yellow paper on my monitor right now. —› topic: (glezos) changes topic to (Fedora Localization Project meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda - -- Topic: Handling i18n request issues in case maintainer's response is not received or not adequate) (glezos) runa_b, any comments on this? (runa_b) glezos: i believe the guidelines will need more inputs (runa_b) from ppl who have been doing the coordination between the maintainers and translators for so long (glezos) runa_b, good idea. We can contact aalam and ccheng for this. Do you have anyone else in mind? (runa_b) glezos: i'd say send a mail to the main mailing-lists (runa_b) glezos: that'll grab more eyeballs imho (glezos) runa_b, you mean fedora-devel-list? (runa_b) glezos: umm...would you suggest that? (glezos) runa_b, I don't think it's necessary, no. (runa_b) glezos: fedora-trans-list for sure (glezos) runa_b, IIRC I did send an email saying the page was created (runa_b) glezos: yea..yesterday (glezos) So, to keep everyone up2date (runa_b) glezos: maybe another follow up seeking inputs, past experiance etc (glezos) the problem is that some developers don't take translations too seriously, or they don't have time for them (glezos) or we just don't communicate with them correctly (glezos) and their packages are distributed with outdated translations. (runa_b) yes..there is a thread going on :) (glezos) First of all, I think *we* as a team should understand how important translations are for Fedora. (glezos) I believe more than 1 out of 2 people use localized applications (glezos) That's a HUGE percentage (glezos) We are responsible to make sure everybody understands the importance of this issue (glezos) If someone doesn't, then it's our mistake for not communicating with them properly. (glezos) So, we're doing some good steps towards that direction: The String Freeze, it's Policy, the Guidelines (glezos) particularly now for people who don't coorporate: (glezos) if we see that the problem doesn't get fixed, like Alan said, it means that the maintainer isn't doing his/her job (glezos) we should raise the issue to -devel-list, notifying the community that that particular package isn't developed correctly and doesn't meet the standards we have for Fedora. (kanarip) erhm (ln-) one important point: is it appropriate to list a missing/outdated translation as a "blocker" bug before a release? (ln-) well, or at any moment of time. (glezos) ln-, that's a decision of the Release Engineering team (kanarip) glezos, you cannot just say something is developed incorrectly (ln-) i.e. blocker bugs those that must be fixed before a new release. (ln-) +are (glezos) kanarip, my mistake -- remove the " isn't developed correctly and" part of the sentence. (kanarip) glezos, at most it lacks a feature' (petreu) pretty bad looking part (kanarip) glezos, also, "doesn't meet the standards we have for Fedora" I just don't understand (runa_b) well..the important part is some work done within the scheduled time frame is being ignored (kanarip) glezos, Fedora doesn't force standards to upstream, what if we start telling them to all use automake (runa_b) and thats a non-compliance at one level (ln-) kanarip: ok, so translations are just wishlist-level "features" that don't need to be there. roger that. (glezos) kanarip, we have high goals for our desktop. Part of these goals are to properly localize them (vpv) kanarip: for s-c-network, Fedora is upstream and we should set some standards here (kanarip) vpv, glezos, +1 (glezos) I believe that for default apps in the Fedora desktop, like those in the "System" menu, we should make sure that the localization team gets what it wants. (glezos) If the French team is aiming at a 100% localized desktop, then it is very important for us as a project to support this goal (petreu) especially cause a small problem in the upstream causes a lot problems to loads of translation teams (runa_b) glezos: its not just about the localization teams wants...if there are translation stages determined for a release then it should be applicable for the entire process (glezos) runa_b, right. (kanarip) glezos, that brings me to another point, with regards to translation in upstream source repos (kanarip) if you or anyone else updates the translations for an application in the upstream repository, that doesn't really honour any freeze now does it? (glezos) kanarip, upstream has it's own release schedule and possible freezes (glezos) kanarip, we are string freezing apps that fedora is upstream (glezos) ie apps that we are developing (kanarip) glezos, ah, right (ln-) string freezes are not about freezing translations but freezing the translatable strings. (glezos) so, instead of asking "what do we do if we can't have the application being delivered to the users like we want", we can ask directly "what do we do with system-config-network"? (runa_b) i'd say yes (runa_b) its better to get a reply from the maintainer (glezos) ok -- who can try to contact him and request to take a look at the bug report? (ln-) i managed to contact the maintainer of s-c-network on irc, and he said he'd do something about the bug "next week"... but that was about a month ago already. (runa_b) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/HaraldHoyer (runa_b) thats him (glezos) The problem is that I don't know if Harald is informed on what exactly our problem is (glezos) Anyway. We can discuss this on the mailing list I guess (petreu) +1 (glezos) I'll try to contact Harald too and see what the problems are (runa_b) +1 to mailing list (runa_b) and maybe cc harald in the discussion (kanarip) glezos, it's all python and glade if Harald doesn't know how or doesn't have time i might be able to come up with a patch (ln-) what's the RedHat/Fedora procedure with packages... if the package maintainer is busy or on vacation or lazy or whatever, can someone else build and release a new package when it's only a matter of simply adding a few files? (runa_b) ln-: umm...ask warren perhaps (ln-) I definitely hope anyone who is assigned to a package maintainer knows how to add files to an RPM. (glezos) ln-, that's a good question, maybe suited for -devel-list (kanarip) that's what co-maintainers are for (glezos) My suggestion is to have proper documentation on what we want from the developers (kanarip) but as s-c-n was in "core", it may not yet have a co-maintainer (runa_b) +1 glezos (vpv) kanarip: it's not an issue with the application code, some (or actually a lot of) po files need to updated, that's all (kanarip) vpv, right, that'd only take a second for him to fix (glezos) So that they understand what we need as a project and how to communicate if there's a problem (glezos) vpv, it might also be an issue of not updating the package before releases -- not sure (runa_b) vpv: do we have a list of all the modules that are not updated? (vpv) runa_b: I guess we don't... (runa_b) hmm (ln-) redhat-menus used to be a package whose translations were _very_ seldom updated. dunno about its current status. (glezos) so, do we have an action item on this issue (glezos) ? (runa_b) *nod* (glezos) Idea: maybe we could have a script that could check when the modules in question were last updated and offer to send an email to - -trans-list and the maintainers that we need repackaging? (runa_b) glezos: we will need the script to check all the modules (glezos) runa_b, right (warren) ln-, that is a good question, let me check (ln-) btw, i suppose these non-packaged translations issues may often affect not only Fedora, but also RHEL (and therefore CentOS). (glezos) ln-, right (warren) OK, I got an answer. (warren) If you are not receiving a prompt and responsible response to pulling in translations especially before a key deadline, make sure a Bugzilla ticket is filed and CC katzj(a)redhat.com. Poke jeremy directly and make sure he sees it. He will beat people into action. (glezos) warren, sounds like a plan. (glezos) :) • glezos should remember to buy jeremy a beer at fudcon (runa_b) <paranoia mode> what if jeremy is on vacation </paranoia mode> (warren) Then ask me. (warren) in fact, CC us both • petreu especially likes the beating part :) (runa_b) glezos: two beers i believe :) (warren) I don't drink, but thanks. (warren) =) (runa_b) thanks warren (glezos) great then. Anyone else want to add anything on this topic? (ln-) well.. (runa_b) glezos: we can add this information someplace (runa_b) on the wiki i mean (ln-) Translators shouldn't need to file bug reports for each package they have updated. (glezos) ln-, agreeed. With string and translation freezes we won't have to (ln-) The important packages should be always rebuilt before a new release by default. (warren) should ... is different from reality (warren) jeremy, would it be difficult to make it RH engineering policy to pull translations and rebuild at certain dates? l10n shouldn't need to file a bug for each package every time. (ln-) Or someone (e.g. with the help of the proposed script) could file one bug report per package, containing a request to update all languages. (glezos) ln-, that would be helpful for everyone (jeremy) warren: please stop saying that it's RH engineering. but we could have a date on the schedule (in fact, I *thought* that we already did) (warren) jeremy, it is mostly RH engineering's responsibility is it not? (warren) jeremy, are people held to the date on the schedule? (jeremy) warren: there's nothing that says it has to be. it's any project for which fedora is its own upstream (glezos) jeremy, we have the translation freeze date on the schedule, explained in the legend and in more detail here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Freezes#translation • jeremy looks at the schedule (warren) glezos, my question is more like, "It might be on the schedule, but are people held accountable to it?" (jeremy) I think we just need to add a "please do a build with any new translations for packages which we are the 'upstream' for" date right before test3. we've had it on the schedule inthe past, not sure why it's not on the F8 one (jeremy) warren: just as much as they are anything about the schedule (warren) ok (glezos) jeremy, I'll update the legend with a more clear explanation and a link to the L10N/Freezes link (runa_b) glezos: the main schedule already has the translation freeze date (runa_b) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/Schedule (runa_b) in bold (warren) runa_b, although not a "pull translations" date (warren) runa_b, past releases had it in the schedule (glezos) runa_b, right, I'm just going to make it more clear what it means on the legend (runa_b) warren: hmm.... (glezos) warren, the "pull translations" date is the "translation freeze" date (warren) ok (glezos) Any other comments on this topic? —› topic: (glezos) changes topic to (Fedora Localization Project meeting -- Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda - -- Open floor) (glezos) Any other topic anyone would like us to discuss? (runa_b) nothing from me (ln-) Does an average translator know what to do to submit translations for F8, now that the translation CVS is becoming more or less obsolete? (glezos) ln-, we need to update the TQSGuide.. noriko started some work on it @ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/TQSG (ln-) ok (glezos) I want to have transifex up before the string freeze (glezos) which is in 1 week. (glezos) anyone who'd like to help out in the updating of the Guide, please step forward! :) (mustu) Yep! me (petreu) glezos which dated translations will get into transifex? (glezos) petreu, the current ones -- transifex will connect directly to the VCS (petreu) ah ok (mustu) I was thinking about step by step guide with screen shots (glezos) mustu, that sounds like a good idea (petreu) i´d be pleased about that ;) getting confusing with more instances (fedora cvs, elvis, transifex) (mustu) i would like participate (glezos) the simpler we do it the better. As long as we can maintain it. (glezos) mustu, send an email to the list, put your ideas, schedule of work on the page and jump right into action. :) (glezos) Anything else? (glezos) I guess we are out of time. (runa_b) petreu: i guess we were supposed to add the list of repos to the wiki (mustu) i think i should ask noriko ..ofcourse he will be senior then me and can correct mistakes in my ideas regarding this project (runa_b) perhaps to the guidelines page (runa_b) mustu: noriko is a lady :) (mustu) oh... sorry (glezos) runa_b, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tools#modules (runa_b) oh yea...darn i guess i am half asleep (mustu) can i get noriko's wiki page url? (runa_b) apologies glezos (glezos) mustu, better send it to the whole list. You can start working on anything you feel like and we'll catch up on it (mustu) ok, thanks sir (glezos) I'd say jump right into the wiki page /Tasks/TQSG and the XML :) (glezos) Closing the meeting? (glezos) in 30 (glezos) 10 (glezos) </meeting> (glezos) Thanks everyone

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Meeting reminder: Tuesday, 21 August 2007 19:00 UTC
by Dimitris Glezos 21 Aug '07

21 Aug '07

Probably a short meeting, not much to discuss AFAIK. Nevertheless, we'll be there for a chat. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings#agenda -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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