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I just want to recap and clear all the heat in the previous emails, hoping to reach a point where everyone cool down and reach a working environment.
Current Status:
- - Most of the Arabic translation almost done. - - Arabeyes team to take credit for the translaiton. - - New team from KCAST want to join. - - Individuals from other Arabic LUGs want to join - - Fedora Team still working on setting up team pages, current system allow maintainers for modules, and or large scale maintainer for certain lang. I belive the system should fit fine, yet it is open for suggesstion and request enhancement as needed.
I personally agree with what Alan mentioned that most of the translation teams usually appear when all the work are done. I can see valid request from Arabeyes to have maintainership on the arabic translation. Also I can see the concerns which the other groups have against arabeyes, and the fear of control and forcing policies from Arabeyes, requesting to be part of arabeyes or you can not contribute. Some ppl do not want to be part of Arabeyes yet they would like to contribute.
I would like to recommend something to solve all this. No one can deny the effort done by Arabeyes and it would be unfair not to grant them the maintainer. Yet, I hope that feedback from others and suggestion would be faced by difficult attitude from Arabeyes. This is one of the main issue I saw personally.
Quoting from Mohamed Elzubeir:
- You have certain issues with the way Arabeyes handles things (so far Arabeyes officially has not done anything, so I'm not sure what you are referring to -- but if you do have such issues, we would be happy to hear constructive criticism on the 'general' list).
That would not be only me. Munzir & Mohammed Desoky requested more open and flexible attitude from Arabeyes. Not only referring to what is currently Arabeyes doing on Fedora, but overall as a policy. For example the attitude when discussing things, starting aggressively defending, sarcasm tone, ...etc. Not only what happened here while discussing, but also from the link Munzir pasted, it seems the default way to handle issues.
I think it worth listening and considering :)
After all we all are interested in Arabic being properly supported and translated. It is good to have larger group regardless if they want to work under Arabeyes or outside. I hope you agree with me on this.
So I would like to ask the other arabic groups to team up with arabeyes, and work up something which satisfy everyone, and get the work done.
I belive we will need to review & QA the work done already plus finishing up the last big file which is not yet done.
Munzir, Mohamed Deskoy, Arabeyes & Other indiveduals any suggestion on how to move from this point forward?
Just keep in mind two things Arabeyes is well established group who I belive should maintain. Yet, a littel bit of change of how things handled and allow more freedome to others groups need to be clear and granted from Arabeyes. Afterall we all working on one target.
Any comments?
Thanks
Sherif
As is becoming the trend in this thread, I have to start with the disclaimers, though I think it is well established that anybody speaks for himself/herself in this list. I am a member of Arabeyes but I am not representing their view here. Nor am I representing Munzir who speaks for himself now, though he is a close friend of mine. A double disclaimer for the fact that I am a RHCE, for being one does not make me Red Hat affiliated, and being Red Hat affiliated would not have made be a Red Hat speaker here, as everybody is aware.
On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 08:40, Sherif Abdelgawad wrote:
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I just want to recap and clear all the heat in the previous emails, hoping to reach a point where everyone cool down and reach a working environment.
I think everybody now wants to cool down. So thanks for that. By the way, Sherif, as you are subscribing to the doc mailing list as arabeyes, it is not fair to receive e-mails there and reply to them here, as they describe their owner's opinion, not that of arabeyes, and they shouldn't be as such. That being said, I believe it is an unintended error from you, as you replied to all people rather than to the doc list.
Current Status:
- Most of the Arabic translation almost done.
- Arabeyes team to take credit for the translaiton.
- New team from KCAST want to join.
- Individuals from other Arabic LUGs want to join
current system allow maintainers for modules, and or large scale maintainer for certain lang. I belive the system should fit fine, yet it is open for suggesstion and request enhancement as needed.
- Fedora Team still working on setting up team pages,
I would replace point 2 by 'Arabeyes team to take maintainership/coordination for the translation', for I believe it is more important for them to have maintainership to maintain a certain quality of translation than to get credits, which naturally belongs to them if they do the translation as to any other translators. Otherwise, I find your status summary fairly good.
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I would like to recommend something to solve all this. No one can deny the effort done by Arabeyes and it would be unfair not to grant them the maintainer. Yet, I hope that feedback from others and suggestion would be faced by difficult attitude from Arabeyes. This is one of the main issue I saw personally.
I hope you will be able to give some concrete recommendation. This also goes to Munzir and Mohammed Eldesoky. I would prefer that you carry on this discussion in the doc list in arabeyes (the things related to arabic) while still giving general suggestions to fedora-trans-list if they are beneficial to the fedora translation project, for example a general view for teamwork in fedora.
This does not mean your being members in Arabeyes, and I believe it will help arabeyes as well as you to keep a healthy cooperation. After all ..
After all we all are interested in Arabic being properly supported and translated. It is good to have larger group regardless if they want to work under Arabeyes or outside. I hope you agree with me on this.
The thing is that we want to push this work on. So I expect suggestions, given everything said here, to be on the line: - Arabeyes to be maintainer - I am not sure if you are aware that Arabeyes usually works on its own cvs then merges with the main cvs frequently, to double check. Their maintainer (in this case Youcef) is the only one who does the merging. That means, effectively, that they will take all the modules and distribute them among their available team. In your suggestions, please consider: if you need accounts on Arabeyes cvs, or if we are to somehow partition cvs access.
Just keep in mind two things Arabeyes is well established group who I belive should maintain. Yet, a littel bit of change of how things handled and allow more freedome to others groups need to be clear and granted from Arabeyes. Afterall we all working on one target.
Any comments?
Thanks
Sherif
On an off topic note, Sherif, please e-mail us when resala linux is ready. I am sure it will be interesting to a lot of us there.
Regards, Muhammad Alkarouri
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004, Muhammad Alkarouri wrote:
I think everybody now wants to cool down. So thanks for that. By the way, Sherif, as you are subscribing to the doc mailing list as arabeyes, it is not fair to receive e-mails there and reply to them here, as they describe their owner's opinion, not that of arabeyes, and they shouldn't be as such.
This was the first msg I got from arabeyes. Did not notice it was arabeyes mailing list only. My mistake then.
That being said, I believe it is an unintended error from you, as you replied to all people rather than to the doc list.
Yes, sorry for that.
Thanks
Sherif
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