Hello,

So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or what happens when someone has an issue with a website translation? I'm fine with disabling Project tracking.

Regards, Silvia FAS: Lailah

On 20 February 2018 at 01:03, Noriko Mizumoto noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com wrote:

On 2018/02/19 3:38, Piotr Drąg wrote:

...

2018-02-17 9:25 GMT+01:00 Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org:

...

Hi

Recent clean-up by Kevin, I decided to take over default assignee of those components **temporary**.

Product Fedora Localization -> Components:

• l10n-requests
• Other languate
• Project Tracking
• Website

There are seven bugs in total untouched. I've moved three to "closed", three "need info" and one to Fedora/gnome-software. Hopefully all to be resolved shortly. Now I have two questions or favour.

1. Any one, please raise your hand who can take a position of assignee

or qa contact for any of those. 2. Any one, please review the descriptions of those components, and confirm or give better expression. 3. Any one, please advise if any of those components is no longer useful thus we can safely delete/remove.

Other language and l10n-requests are still useful, but the rest should

be disabled/removed, in my opinion. Maybe we can change the description of the latter from the current “Requests for new Fedora Localization, and other miscellaneous work” to “Bugs related to the Fedora Localization Project as a whole” or similar.

+1 Sounds, good, anyone? I would like to hear more before sending a request to Infra team.

noriko

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Yes, thank you. It explains it perfectly and I agree that both, Project tracking and Websites should be disabled.

On 20 February 2018 at 14:46, Piotr Drąg piotrdrag@gmail.com wrote:

2018-02-20 10:29 GMT+01:00 Silvia Sánchez lailahfsf@gmail.com:

...

Hello,

So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or what happens when

someone

...

has an issue with a website translation? I'm fine with disabling Project tracking.

“Website” was used for maintaining translate.fedoraproject.org, our Transifex instance, back when it was still open source. Issues with website translations should be reported to appropriate language teams, and issues with Fedora websites themselves over at https://pagure.io/fedora-websites. Hope that explains it.

Best regards,

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:) On Feb 22, 2018 11:47 AM, "Noriko Mizumoto" noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com wrote:

On 2018/02/21 3:36, Silvia Sánchez wrote:

...

Yes, thank you. It explains it perfectly and I agree that both, Project tracking and Websites should be disabled.

Thank you Silvia and Pitor, this Q and A is useful information for ones who are not so old. It is time to ask a question.

If I do not hear any other idea or 'stop', I will contact Infra team to proceed in a week or so.

noriko

...

On 20 February 2018 at 14:46, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag@gmail.com mailto: piotrdrag@gmail.com> wrote:

2018-02-20 10:29 GMT+01:00 Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf@gmail.com
<mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>>:
>
> Hello,
>
> So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or what happens
when someone
> has an issue with a website translation?  I'm fine with
disabling Project
> tracking.
>

“Website” was used for maintaining translate.fedoraproject.org
<http://translate.fedoraproject.org>, our
Transifex instance, back when it was still open source. Issues with
website translations should be reported to appropriate language teams,
and issues with Fedora websites themselves over at
https://pagure.io/fedora-websites
<https://pagure.io/fedora-websites>. Hope that explains it.

Best regards,

--
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<https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org>
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On 2018/02/22 17:17, akash brown wrote:

I think he's Piotr ?

;)

Yes, I am sorry this stupid and discourteous typo:'(. --n

On Feb 22, 2018 12:40 PM, "akash brown" <yakovsky1@gmail.com mailto:yakovsky1@gmail.com> wrote:

:)

On Feb 22, 2018 11:47 AM, "Noriko Mizumoto"
<noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com <mailto:noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com>> wrote:


    On 2018/02/21 3:36, Silvia Sánchez wrote:


        Yes, thank you. It explains it perfectly and I agree that
        both, Project tracking and Websites should be disabled.


    Thank you Silvia and Pitor, this Q and A is useful information
    for ones who are not so old.
    It is time to ask a question.

    If I do not hear any other idea or 'stop', I will contact
    Infra team to proceed in a week or so.


    noriko



        On 20 February 2018 at 14:46, Piotr Drąg
        <piotrdrag@gmail.com <mailto:piotrdrag@gmail.com>
        <mailto:piotrdrag@gmail.com <mailto:piotrdrag@gmail.com>>>
        wrote:

            2018-02-20 10:29 GMT+01:00 Silvia Sánchez
        <lailahfsf@gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>
            <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com
        <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>>>:
            >
            > Hello,
            >
            > So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or
        what happens
            when someone
            > has an issue with a website translation?  I'm fine with
            disabling Project
            > tracking.
            >

            “Website” was used for maintaining
        translate.fedoraproject.org
        <http://translate.fedoraproject.org>
            <http://translate.fedoraproject.org
        <http://translate.fedoraproject.org>>, our
            Transifex instance, back when it was still open
        source. Issues with
            website translations should be reported to appropriate
        language teams,
            and issues with Fedora websites themselves over at
        https://pagure.io/fedora-websites
        <https://pagure.io/fedora-websites>
            <https://pagure.io/fedora-websites
        <https://pagure.io/fedora-websites>>. Hope that explains it.

            Best regards,

            --
            Piotr Drąg
        https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org
        <https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org>
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That's fine !

You're welcome :)

Typos do happen, more so in the wake of auto correction era ... On Feb 22, 2018 2:17 PM, "Silvia Sánchez" lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:

Yes, he is the world famous Piotr :-D

On 22 February 2018 at 07:17, akash brown yakovsky1@gmail.com wrote:

...

I think he's Piotr ?

;) On Feb 22, 2018 12:40 PM, "akash brown" yakovsky1@gmail.com wrote:

...

:) On Feb 22, 2018 11:47 AM, "Noriko Mizumoto" noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com wrote:

...

On 2018/02/21 3:36, Silvia Sánchez wrote:

...

Yes, thank you. It explains it perfectly and I agree that both, Project tracking and Websites should be disabled.

Thank you Silvia and Pitor, this Q and A is useful information for ones who are not so old. It is time to ask a question.

If I do not hear any other idea or 'stop', I will contact Infra team to proceed in a week or so.

noriko

...

On 20 February 2018 at 14:46, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag@gmail.com mailto: piotrdrag@gmail.com> wrote:

2018-02-20 10:29 GMT+01:00 Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf@gmail.com
<mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>>:
>
> Hello,
>
> So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or what happens
when someone
> has an issue with a website translation?  I'm fine with
disabling Project
> tracking.
>

“Website” was used for maintaining translate.fedoraproject.org
<http://translate.fedoraproject.org>, our
Transifex instance, back when it was still open source. Issues with
website translations should be reported to appropriate language

teams, and issues with Fedora websites themselves over at https://pagure.io/fedora-websites https://pagure.io/fedora-websites. Hope that explains it.

Best regards,

--
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https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org
<https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org>
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:) On Feb 22, 2018 2:25 PM, "Silvia Sánchez" lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:

And it's funny how the brain will quietly "correct" typos. I didn't notice it was wrongly written until Akash pointed it out.

On 22 February 2018 at 08:52, akash brown yakovsky1@gmail.com wrote:

...

That's fine !

You're welcome :)

Typos do happen, more so in the wake of auto correction era ... On Feb 22, 2018 2:17 PM, "Silvia Sánchez" lailahfsf@gmail.com wrote:

...

Yes, he is the world famous Piotr :-D

On 22 February 2018 at 07:17, akash brown yakovsky1@gmail.com wrote:

...

I think he's Piotr ?

;) On Feb 22, 2018 12:40 PM, "akash brown" yakovsky1@gmail.com wrote:

...

:) On Feb 22, 2018 11:47 AM, "Noriko Mizumoto" noriko.mizumoto@gmail.com wrote:

...

On 2018/02/21 3:36, Silvia Sánchez wrote:

> > Yes, thank you. It explains it perfectly and I agree that both, > Project tracking and Websites should be disabled. >

Thank you Silvia and Pitor, this Q and A is useful information for ones who are not so old. It is time to ask a question.

If I do not hear any other idea or 'stop', I will contact Infra team to proceed in a week or so.

noriko

> > On 20 February 2018 at 14:46, Piotr Drąg <piotrdrag@gmail.com > mailto:piotrdrag@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2018-02-20 10:29 GMT+01:00 Silvia Sánchez <lailahfsf@gmail.com > mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>: > > > > Hello, > > > > So Website would be included in l10n-requests? Or what happens > when someone > > has an issue with a website translation? I'm fine with > disabling Project > > tracking. > > > > “Website” was used for maintaining translate.fedoraproject.org > http://translate.fedoraproject.org, our > Transifex instance, back when it was still open source. Issues > with > website translations should be reported to appropriate language > teams, > and issues with Fedora websites themselves over at > https://pagure.io/fedora-websites > https://pagure.io/fedora-websites. Hope that explains it. > > Best regards, > > -- > Piotr Drąg > https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org > https://piotrdrag.fedorapeople.org > _______________________________________________ > trans mailing list -- trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to > trans-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > mailto:trans-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > _______________________________________________ > trans mailing list -- trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to trans-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org > _______________________________________________ trans mailing list -- trans@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to trans-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org

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2018-02-20 22:06 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr:

Le 18/02/2018 à 18:38, Piotr Drąg a écrit :

...

Other language and l10n-requests are still useful, but the rest should be disabled/removed, in my opinion. Maybe we can change the description of the latter from the current “Requests for new Fedora Localization, and other miscellaneous work” to “Bugs related to the Fedora Localization Project as a whole” or similar.

Hi, I also think we can disable these trackers.

When I produce a report using every component of the "Fedora Localization" product [1], I see 10 bugs opened since 2017-01-01.

Shouldn't we consider going further and disabling every language-specific Bugzilla components?

Having one single localization place to issues would probably makes it easier for follow-up.

While Bugzilla worked fine for years, many projects (docs, websites, etc.) uses Pagure. Shouldn't we consider moving all of our tracking in Pagure and find a way to advertise it in Bugzilla? Or can we create some kind of bridge (allow creating, and automatically clone the ticket on Pagure, then close the bug on Bugzilla with comment)?

Individual components for languages allow these communities to subscribe to only their bugs. We can’t have a single “translation bugs” component, I’d be an unmaintainable nightmare.

I also think it’s advantageous to have l10n bugs in the same place as software bugs. Just being able to move a bug to a different product is vital.

We do have https://pagure.io/g11n/issues and I think it can happily co-exist with Bugzilla.

Best regards,

2018-02-23 0:20 GMT+01:00 akash brown yakovsky1@gmail.com:

You'd be an unmaintainable nightmare ... ?

“It would”, sorry for the typo.

On 2018/02/23 5:38, Piotr Drąg wrote:

2018-02-20 22:06 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste jean-baptiste@holcroft.fr:

...

Le 18/02/2018 à 18:38, Piotr Drąg a écrit :

...

Other language and l10n-requests are still useful, but the rest should be disabled/removed, in my opinion. Maybe we can change the description of the latter from the current “Requests for new Fedora Localization, and other miscellaneous work” to “Bugs related to the Fedora Localization Project as a whole” or similar.

Hi, I also think we can disable these trackers.

When I produce a report using every component of the "Fedora Localization" product [1], I see 10 bugs opened since 2017-01-01.

Shouldn't we consider going further and disabling every language-specific Bugzilla components?

Having one single localization place to issues would probably makes it easier for follow-up.

While Bugzilla worked fine for years, many projects (docs, websites, etc.) uses Pagure. Shouldn't we consider moving all of our tracking in Pagure and find a way to advertise it in Bugzilla? Or can we create some kind of bridge (allow creating, and automatically clone the ticket on Pagure, then close the bug on Bugzilla with comment)?

Individual components for languages allow these communities to subscribe to only their bugs. We can’t have a single “translation bugs” component, I’d be an unmaintainable nightmare.

I agree having individual components for languages. This way allows every language coordinator to take the responsibility to a bug filed against his/her language.

noriko

I also think it’s advantageous to have l10n bugs in the same place as software bugs. Just being able to move a bug to a different product is vital.

We do have https://pagure.io/g11n/issues and I think it can happily co-exist with Bugzilla.

Best regards,

2018-02-26 9:34 GMT+01:00 akash brown yakovsky1@gmail.com:

aha !

Dear Akash,

While I appreciate your enthusiasm, please avoid emails that don’t bring anything new to the discussion. We are all volunteers here, and our time is finite.

Also, we would like to ask you to stop top-posting. We much prefer bottom-posting here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style).

Best regards,