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Anonymous cvs access
by Alain PORTAL 25 Jun '07

25 Jun '07

Hi, I should want to know if there is an anonymous cvs access. I tried: export CVSROOT=":pserver:anonymous@i18n.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS" cvs co -d anaconda anaconda/po/anaconda.pot I got: cvs server: warning: cannot write to history file /usr/local/CVS/CVSROOT/history: Permission denied but got the file. Can somebody explain me? Regards Alain -- Les pages de manuel Linux en français http://manpagesfr.free.fr

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Self-Introduction: Anton N. Petrov
by Anton N. Petrov 24 Jun '07

24 Jun '07

# Full legal name (as you use it is fine) Anton N. Petrov # City, Country Saint-Petersburg, Russia # Profession or Student status Software Engineer # Your goals in the Fedora Project I intend to begin with translation of the software and documentation into Russian. Also I want to do as much as I can to change the "Disable SELinux"-all-around situation. SELinux was a decisive point when I chose Fedora Core as an OS for my [Web]server, so I'm very concerned about it. # Historical qualifications Experienced in project planning/management, C/C++ programming, *ML/PHP/MySQL, network administration. I have some knowledge in Java, Perl, and linux kernel :) I spend a lot of my time with Fedora. # GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/BBC51CDA 2007-06-19 [expires: 2008-06-18] Key fingerprint = FD2F C8C2 D4A8 EDA3 315D 85C7 B670 BAC8 BBC5 1CDA uid Anton N. Petrov (Fedora Project) <anton n petrov gmail com> sub 2048g/50DA3D51 2007-06-19 [expires: 2008-06-18] Best regards, Anton.

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Fedora Localization Bugzilla Product created
by Dimitris Glezos 24 Jun '07

24 Jun '07

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora%20Localiz… https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/describecomponents.cgi?product=Fedora%… All language maintainers should create new bugzilla accounts for their mailing lists, so that bug reports are sent automatically to the ML. The data is automatically sync-ed with our `owners.list` file [1]. All email addresses in the file should be valid bugzilla accounts. -d [1]: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/owners/?root=l10n -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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Revisor enabled for localization
by Jeroen van Meeuwen 23 Jun '07

23 Jun '07

Hi All, We (Revisor development) have enabled Revisor to be localized to other languages. At the moment, there is 461 strings that need translation to any other language. Thank you very much for your efforts in doing all these translations! Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip

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release-notes in Fedora Translations
by Domingo Becker 22 Jun '07

22 Jun '07

There's a maybe bug in the interfase of the new Fedora Translations system. For the module release-notes, in http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes it says there is 574/5/0 for the spanish locale. The actual number of strings in my poEdit (on FC6 platform) after update is 580, so there is one missing. And I don't find the 5 fuzzy strings, my poEdit says (580/0/0). All changes were committed. kind regards DomingoBecker (es)

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Meeting pace ?
by Thomas Canniot 22 Jun '07

22 Jun '07

Please Santa, give me ... weekly... bi weekly... monthly... ...meetings ! Add you name and language to vote :) Thomas Canniot

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a question
by gsm1011 21 Jun '07

21 Jun '07

Dear Administrator, Well, I am fresh to this. So I want to know if I want to contribute the the fedora community, or exactly say I want to translate something for the community, what shall I do ? Could you please give me a step by step guidance? Thank you very much! gsm1011 20070622 gsm1011 2007-06-22

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about-fedora POT change
by Paul W. Frields 21 Jun '07

21 Jun '07

In the Docs CVS, I just made a tiny change to fix bug #245055. This means there is one extra string to be translated in the "about-fedora" module before we can push out an update for the fedora-release-notes package (hopefully soon). Thanks for your help! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug

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IRC Log 19/06
by Bart Couvreur 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

21:02 < couf> <meeting> 21:02 < couf> <rollcall> 21:02 < MrTom> Thomas Canniot (fr) 21:02 < couf> Bart Couvreur (nl) 21:02 < glezos> Dimitris Glezos (el, greek) 21:02 < stavrosg> Stavros Giannouris (el) 21:02 < DomingoBecker> DomingoBecker (es) 21:02 < noriko> Noriko Mizumoto (ja) 21:02 < apeter_> Ani Peter (ml) 21:02 < mishti> Runa Bhattacharjee (bn_IN Bengali (INDIA)) 21:02 < vpv> Ville-Pekka Vainio (fi, Finnish) 21:03 < couf> </rollcall> 21:03 < couf> meeting agenda can be found here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings 21:03 < MrTom> Ok today agenda is available here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings. Please write "!" when you want to talk (I will give you the right to speak :) ) and use "eof" when you have finished talking 21:04 < MrTom> The first point is about out Communication way 21:04 < glezos> ! 21:04 < MrTom> We would like to know what you think of our tools to communicate between each other inside the FP 21:04 < MrTom> > glezos 21:04 * jeremy is here (-ish) 21:05 < glezos> Thanks Tom. First of all, a big thanks to everyone who is here. 21:05 < glezos> It's much better than just on the mailing list :) 21:05 < glezos> I hope we can make it to have regular meetings, to get to know each other 21:06 < glezos> and get motivated by each other's work to do more and make fedora more accessible to more users 21:06 < glezos> It's not easy, but we sure try! :) 21:06 < glezos> eof 21:07 < MrTom> Thanks glezos. 21:07 < MrTom> Then, as you are talking about it, what do you (everyone) think about having regular meetings ? 21:07 < glezos> +1 21:07 < mishti> +1 21:07 < MrTom> +1 21:07 < noriko> +1 21:07 < vpv> +1, definitely 21:07 < apeter_> +1 21:07 < couf> +1 21:07 < glezos> cool. 21:07 < DomingoBecker> +1 21:08 < MrTom> as everybody seems to agree, is every two week a good pace ? 21:08 < DomingoBecker> +1 21:08 < couf> +1 21:08 < MrTom> +1 21:08 < couf> ! 21:08 < noriko> yp +1 21:08 < stavrosg> I think it is too frequent 21:08 < MrTom> > couf 21:08 < mishti> +1 with stavrosg 21:09 < couf> heh stavrosg you took my point: not everyone has to be at the meeting 21:09 -!- IgorPS [n=igorps(a)fomalhaut.grad.dcc.ufmg.br] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:09 < couf> we'll send out the logs and meeting agenda's ahead of time 21:09 < couf> eof 21:09 < MrTom> ok the once a month may be a more appropriate pace then 21:09 < glezos> ! 21:10 < MrTom> > glezos 21:10 < glezos> OK, it is true that each team works more-or-less independantly 21:10 < glezos> but at this period of time, too much is happening in the l10n space 21:11 < glezos> and maybe we should consider having some meetings every 2 weeks, even if it's just for getting together and letting each other know how we are doing 21:11 -!- apeter__ [n=apeter(a)59.93.34.206] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:11 < couf> glezos, +1 21:11 < glezos> I've been doing a bunch of work lately and to be honest, I'd really like some feedback on it 21:11 < noriko> +1 glezos 21:11 < DomingoBecker> +1 glezos 21:11 < jeremy> glezos: and if it turns out that there's nothing to talk about, then the meetings can become less frequent 21:11 < glezos> For example, *right now* mmcgrath is setting up translate.fedoraproject.org 21:11 < glezos> jeremy: right. 21:11 -!- [splinux] [n=damien@fedora/splinux] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:11 < vpv> +1, we can change it later if it seems too frequent... 21:12 < glezos> so, even if it's only 4 people showing up, we could discuss for 15 minutes and split 21:12 < MrTom> please use "!" and eof, it will really help us having easier debate 21:12 < glezos> eof 21:12 < couf> ! 21:12 < MrTom> > couf 21:12 < couf> it's good to keep some eye and status on what's going on in the project especially now, eof 21:12 -!- ani [n=apeter(a)59.93.34.153] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:12 -!- Rasther [n=Diego@fedora/Rasther] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:13 < stavrosg> ! 21:13 -!- EvilBob [n=bob(a)fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:13 < MrTom> > stavrosg 21:14 -!- Rathann [n=rathann(a)83.15.203.170] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:15 -!- apeter__ is now known as ani 21:15 < stavrosg> So, if I understand correctly, the intent for the frequent is mostly for discussing progress in a more direct than the mailing list manner than decision making 21:15 < stavrosg> if so, frequent meetings is a good idea, yes. 21:15 < stavrosg> eof 21:15 < MrTom> ! 21:15 < MrTom> > MrTom 21:15 < MrTom> the big deal is that it may kill the mailing list 21:16 < MrTom> we have the problem with the French ambassadors 21:16 < MrTom> eof 21:16 < mishti> ! 21:16 < MrTom> > mishti 21:16 < glezos> stavrosg: right. IRC meetings aren't very good for debate. In the mailing list you get to elaborate more on your thoughts. And besides, there's not much debate we can do in one hour. 21:17 < mishti> Mailing list might not be killed as everybody is not joining in for the IRC meets all the time. They'll be tracking things there 21:17 -!- alexxed [n=alex(a)dyn-89.136.44.20.tm.upcnet.ro] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:17 < mishti> And what is the problem with the French Ambassadors? 21:17 < mishti> eof 21:17 < couf> mishti, +1 21:17 < glezos> ! 21:17 < MrTom> they use less and less the ml :) 21:17 < MrTom> > glezos 21:17 < glezos> Besides, after each meeting we will post a summary on the ML. 21:18 < glezos> Issues that require decision making will be discussed on the ML so that everyone can participate. 21:18 < glezos> eof 21:19 < MrTom> ok then let's organize every week meeting, and we see how things will go and if we could slow the pace of meetings if needed 21:19 < couf> ! 21:19 < MrTom> > couf 21:19 < glezos> (by the way, let's try to follow up with the agenda on /wiki/L10N/Meetings and not get (a lot) over 1 hour) 21:19 < couf> discussion about meeting hour should take place on the ml for example, not here 21:20 < couf> we just need to agree that it's necessary, and I figure that has been decided 21:20 < glezos> +1 for weekly meetings, at least for 2-3 weeks. +1 for ML discussion for meeting time. 21:20 < couf> point for ML -> decide definitive meeting hour 21:20 < couf> eof 21:20 < noriko> ? 21:20 < MrTom> ok, then let's talk about Language maintainers now. glezos would like to talk about it. 21:21 < noriko> I thought we are discussing fortnightly vs monthly? 21:21 < MrTom> noriko let's do it on the list, i'll send a mail about it right after the meeting 21:21 < noriko> thanks MrTom 21:21 < MrTom> let's move on, there are many things to discuss and very little time 21:22 < glezos> MrTom: shall I get with the maintainers? 21:22 < MrTom> glezos sure 21:22 < glezos> so, here's the thing with the current situation 21:22 < glezos> We're doing great job in translations 21:22 < glezos> *great* 21:23 < glezos> it's amazing to see so many languages having so many completed programs 21:23 < glezos> and we are doing documentation as well 21:23 < glezos> the thing is that we have stayed a bit away from the technical part 21:23 < glezos> maybe it's because we've left it for the i18n team, I'm not sure 21:24 < glezos> but there are a lot of things that we could do to make our translations better 21:24 < glezos> One, is to have languages on bugzilla for bugs to be opened 21:24 < glezos> other is to do some tasks like open bug reports for buggy software 21:25 < glezos> I suggest each language to have one or two, or more persons "responsible" for it 21:25 < glezos> so that I can say "hey, Tom, please don't forget to let the french translation team know about *this*" 21:25 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:25 < glezos> eof 21:26 < MrTom> what do people think about this ? 21:26 < glezos> (not sure I made any actual point there though :) 21:26 < couf> ! 21:26 < MrTom> > couf 21:26 < alexxed> having designated persons who take responsability for translations is a good idea, but how is that reflected in practice ? 21:27 < MrTom> alexxed please use "!" ! 21:27 < couf> just clarifying: for bugzilla every language needs a contact e-mailadress 21:27 < MrTom> couf first 21:27 -!- apeter_ [n=apeter(a)59.93.34.86] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:27 < alexxed> ! 21:27 < couf> this can be the language maintainer or in some cases the fedora-trans-<lang> list 21:28 < MrTom> eof couf ? 21:28 < couf> it's important to have someone who can come here to the l10n-project and say "hey, this translation isn't correct, please change" 21:28 < couf> and that we can direct them 21:29 < couf> it would help getting the quality of translations higher :-) 21:29 < couf> now eof MrTom 21:29 < MrTom> > alexxed 21:29 < alexxed> so I was asking how is the responsability reflected in practice, is that person the only one who can commit to cvs ? 21:30 < glezos> ! 21:30 < alexxed> eof 21:30 < MrTom> > glezos 21:30 < glezos> alexxed: definitely no :) 21:30 < glezos> Basically, a maintainer would be something like a spokesman for the language team 21:31 < glezos> His email address shows up first in the bugzilla component of the language for example. 21:31 < glezos> If bugzilla is broken and the language team mailing list doesn't receive the bug requests automatically, he'll send an email telling it to the main ML 21:31 < glezos> he's the guy a maintainer will send an email saying "can you please tell your team to fix the PO file because it's broken?" 21:32 < alexxed> ! 21:32 < glezos> It's much better if we had names of real persons behind the term "X team" 21:32 < DomingoBecker> ! 21:32 < glezos> like a chair or something. For most languages it's very obvious who this person is, but other than that, it doesn't mean *anything* more at all 21:32 < glezos> no special privileges, just responsibilities. :) 21:32 < glezos> eof 21:32 < MrTom> > alexxed DomingoBecker 21:33 < MrTom> alexxed first and then DomingoBecker 21:33 < alexxed> ok, having a maintainer is definitely a good idea, mozilla does it and it works well like this 21:34 < alexxed> about the opening of bugs for messed up texts in translations, that is done in mozilla, but there are quite few tickets, I don't think people take the trouble to file a bug for this 21:34 < alexxed> so if it's to much trouble to set up bugzilla for this, maybe it's not worth it right now 21:34 < alexxed> eof 21:35 < couf> ! 21:35 < DomingoBecker> I think it is a good Idea to have bugzilla email the right person for a bug in translations 21:35 < MrTom> > DomingoBecker couf 21:35 < DomingoBecker> In my case, it was not almost necessary 21:36 < DomingoBecker> When I needed something to be corrected, It was only necessary to change the PO file 21:36 < DomingoBecker> and then I saw the changes in the next package push 21:36 < DomingoBecker> in the automatic update system 21:36 < DomingoBecker> It works just fine for me 21:36 < MrTom> DomingoBecker eof ? 21:37 < DomingoBecker> I heard other people had problems with their own 21:37 < DomingoBecker> locale 21:37 < DomingoBecker> eof 21:37 < mishti> ! 21:37 < MrTom> > couf mishti 21:37 < couf> alexxed, it's easily done, some scripts do that for all the rest of Fedora 21:37 < couf> we just set up a owners.list and a sync-script does the rest 21:38 < couf> that list is btw on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Teams which needs some updating 21:38 < couf> if your locale isn't on it, please add it and your e-mailadress 21:38 < glezos> I contacted warren today to make it happen. Hopefully in the next 1-2 days we'll be on Bugzilla. 21:38 < couf> please be sure, you have a valid bugzilla login 21:38 < couf> eog 21:38 < MrTom> > mishti 21:38 < couf> eof 21:38 < mishti> currently not all languages have a fedora-trans-<lang> ML. can this be made mandatory at the time a new language is added? 21:39 < couf> ! 21:39 < mishti> and also translate .fpo seems to be down 21:39 < mishti> eof 21:39 < MrTom> > couf 21:39 < warren> glezos, I can create the product but I can't sync the owners.list, you'll have to ask jeremy. 21:39 < IgorPS> ! 21:39 < warren> glezos, perhaps you could ask jeremy to do both? 21:39 < couf> mishti, some rule says 5 people must be in a locale to get a list 21:39 < glezos> warren: jeremy will tell us if he can :) 21:39 < jeremy> warren: if you get the product created, I can easily turn on the sync for it 21:39 < couf> we can of it, but I'd make that less priority 21:40 < couf> eof 21:40 < noriko> ! 21:40 * couf hugs jeremy and warren 21:40 < MrTom> > IgorPS 21:40 < IgorPS> I think having a maintainer is a good idea, mainly for bugzilla 21:40 < MrTom> jeremy warren and glezos don't forget ! and eof 21:40 < IgorPS> but I see some problems with bugzilla 21:40 < IgorPS> it is not localized 21:40 < IgorPS> and some users dont know how to use it well 21:41 < glezos> ! 21:41 < warren> Is that for logging? We aren't really part of this meeting. 21:41 < IgorPS> i think we should do somethink to better comunicate with the ML 21:41 < IgorPS> eof 21:41 < MrTom> IgorPS eof ? 21:41 < MrTom> warren please.... 21:41 < MrTom> > noriko glezos 21:41 -!- nman64 [n=n-man@fedora/nman64] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:41 < noriko> <couf> mishti, some rule says 5 people must be in a locale to get a list 21:41 < warren> Isn't this a really strange way to log a meeting? Why not log the entire channel during your meeting? 21:42 < noriko> this is not God's rule, we can change it as needed. 21:42 < noriko> eof 21:42 < warren> People will make mistakes 21:42 -!- dimitris [n=dimitry(a)athedsl-209342.home.otenet.gr] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:42 < MrTom> > glezos 21:42 < glezos> warren: no worries. :-) It's just because we are too many. 21:43 < glezos> IgorPS: There's no obligation to use BZ. Anyone can use any way they see fit to notify the translation team about a bug 21:43 -!- dimitris [n=dimitry(a)athedsl-209342.home.otenet.gr] has left #fedora-meeting [] 21:43 < glezos> IgorPS: If your team wants to have a wiki page that anyone could edit for bug tracking, that's also fine :) 21:43 < IgorPS> ! 21:44 < glezos> I've sent an email to admins@fpo to request less than 5 people as a minimum. I'm +1 for having mailing lists even for 2 people. 21:44 < glezos> eof 21:44 < MrTom> > IgorPS 21:44 < IgorPS> This is a better idea 21:44 < IgorPS> we could make it a pattern for other teams 21:44 < IgorPS> like a "wiki bugzilla" 21:45 < vpv> ! 21:45 < IgorPS> Bugzilla itself is more for advanced users 21:45 < mishti> ! 21:45 < IgorPS> eof 21:45 < MrTom> > vpv mishti 21:45 < glezos> Guys, it's getting late.. We should get this discussion on the mailing list. 21:45 -!- ani [n=apeter(a)59.93.34.206] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:45 < vpv> please make the mailing list optional, we only have 2 members and don't really need it, eof 21:46 < mishti> IgorPS: bugzilla+wiki can be a method but bugzilla ought to be made mandatory...as it will help in cross-referencing as well as bug duplication 21:46 < MrTom> > mishti 21:46 < MrTom> and then we move on 21:47 < mishti> vpv: imho mailing list ought to be there to keep a record of things..if translation team members move on 21:47 < mishti> eof 21:47 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["I spilled Spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone."] 21:47 < MrTom> ok, let's talk about glezos new l10n website. 21:47 < MrTom> do you have coments on it ? 21:47 < MrTom> or is the ml enough for it 21:48 < glezos> MrTom: I think comments should go on the mailing list 'cause it might take too long. 21:48 < glezos> I just wanted to say that the progerss has been very good 21:48 < glezos> we are now deploying it at translate.fpo, which will have some problems in the next hours because we are putting it on a cluster 21:49 < glezos> also, I'm working on the second part of the website, which is the "submit" one. Translators can use it to commit files to git, hg, and remote CVS repositories 21:49 < glezos> I'm satisfied with the progress, should be ready in 5-7 days. 21:50 < glezos> We'll have a bugzilla component for bugs etc, and of course a wiki page. 21:50 < glezos> I should note here that this isn't just a project of mine 21:50 < glezos> Also, I don't work for RH :) 21:50 < glezos> it's our website, so please, if you have comments, suggestions, send them. 21:50 < mishti> ! 21:50 < glezos> It's made to make *our* work easier. 21:50 < glezos> eof 21:51 < MrTom> > mishti 21:51 < mishti> glezos: how is the "submit" going to work, since authentication will be required for submission into version control systems? 21:52 < mishti> eof sorry 21:52 < glezos> mishti: More info can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/DimitrisGlezos 21:52 < glezos> mishti: Basically you'll just authenticate as a cvsl10n member, and the website will do the commit for you. 21:52 < glezos> eof. 21:52 < mishti> ! 21:52 < MrTom> > mishti 21:53 -!- mether [i=ask@fedora/mether] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:53 < mishti> glezos: in that case..the authentication keys etc of a centralised user will be used? 21:53 < mishti> eof 21:54 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim(a)m37.net81-64-156.noos.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:54 < glezos> yes. The remote SCM repo will have a generic 'fedoral10n' user registered, which during the commit, will put the real person's username, Name/Surname and email info in the Commit Mesasage/log 21:54 < glezos> eof 21:55 < MrTom> ok we have 5 minutes to talk about l10n.fpo and translate.fpo 21:55 < MrTom> i guess it is a topic ideal for the five minutes remaining 21:55 < couf> ! 21:55 < MrTom> > couf 21:56 < couf> another clarification: it's translate.fp.o not l10n.fp.o 21:56 < glezos> MrTom: we can continue the discussion in #fedora-l10n 21:56 < couf> as l10n is something obscure 21:56 < couf> eof 21:57 < MrTom> ok then if you are interested we can continue the discussion on #fedora-l10n 21:57 < MrTom> we have to stop the meeting for now on this channel 21:57 < glezos> MrTom: there is no other meeting after ours 21:58 < glezos> so we can stay here. 21:58 < couf> hmm, not really, we've got another meeting 21:58 < MrTom> really ? 21:58 < glezos> until someone kicks us out 21:58 < couf> s/got/got no 21:58 < MrTom> ok then let's stay :) 21:58 < stavrosg> ? 21:59 < glezos> Is everyone OK with the website named translate.fpo instead of l10n.fpo? 21:59 < couf> > stavrosg 21:59 < IgorPS> ! 21:59 < glezos> The reason is because it leaves the distinction with i18n behind. 22:00 < stavrosg> I was going to ask if the name was decided or not 22:00 < stavrosg> anyway, translate.fp.o is better in every respect 22:00 < couf> > IgorPS 22:00 < stavrosg> eof 22:00 < IgorPS> I prefer translate.fpo, l10n is really obscure 22:00 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim(a)m37.net81-64-156.noos.fr] has joined #fedora-meeting 22:00 < IgorPS> Its not clear for other people the sign l10n 22:01 < IgorPS> eof 22:01 < glezos> stavrosg: it isn't decided, no 22:01 < mishti> ! 22:01 < couf> > mishti 22:01 < glezos> stavrosg: I told Infra that we probably prefer translate.fpo but we'll know for sure after the meeting and if someone has any objection on the ML 22:01 < glezos> eof 22:02 < mishti> glezos: we can have a vote on the ML later perhaps 22:02 < mishti> eof 22:02 < stavrosg> +1 22:02 < DomingoBecker> +1 for the vote 22:02 < couf> okay, ultimate decision due next week on ML 22:02 < glezos> mishti: well, the meeting summary will say what our idea was. If anyone objects, we can discuss it 22:03 < noriko> ! 22:03 < couf> > noriko 22:03 < glezos> mishti: but sure, we could have a vote nevertheless. 22:03 < noriko> It would be nice if the reason why translate is better on ML. 22:03 < noriko> or the reason l10n is good on ML 22:04 < noriko> for further discussion. 22:04 < noriko> eof 22:04 -!- IgorPS [n=igorps(a)fomalhaut.grad.dcc.ufmg.br] has quit [] 22:04 < glezos> OK, I'm writing an email right now about it. 22:04 < couf> thanks glezos 22:04 < couf> move on? 22:04 < couf> in 5 22:04 < couf> 4 22:04 < couf> 3 22:04 < couf> 2 22:04 < couf> 1 22:05 < couf> next topic: I18N bugs 22:05 < couf> Apps not having translator-credits, untranslatable help files (eg. system-config-network). Also, our packages don't use GNOME's guidelines (eg. have POTFILES.in and LINGUAS files) 22:05 < glezos> I suggest to discuss this on-list or at the next meeting. It's getting late. 22:05 < couf> glezos, this is yours 22:05 < couf> cool 22:05 < couf> objections? 22:05 < glezos> and in India is *really* late. 22:05 < mishti> :) 22:06 < couf> So I'd say lets adjourn the meeting, and do the rest of the topics another time 22:06 < glezos> couf: may I suggest something? 22:06 < couf> we've done a *lot* today 22:06 < couf> > glezos 22:06 < glezos> couf: Maybe someone has an important topic to discuss 22:06 < glezos> or soemthing important to say 22:07 < couf> hey, you read my mind 22:07 < glezos> so before ending the meeting (besides, *we* choose if we are ending it or not) 22:07 < glezos> Anyone has anything to say, any topic we should discuss now? 22:07 < MrTom> ! 22:07 < couf> > MrTom 22:07 < glezos> And have it included in the meeting log? Otherwise, we'll discuss off-meeting in #fedora-l10n 22:07 < glezos> eof 22:07 < noriko> ! 22:07 < MrTom> i guess we have to thank everybody again for attending 22:08 < MrTom> eo 22:08 < MrTom> eof 22:08 < couf> > noriko 22:08 -!- MrTom [n=mrtom@fedora/MrTom] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:08 < noriko> when is next meeting :) 22:08 < noriko> ops. eof 22:08 < glezos> I suggest next week. The people from India have suggested to do it 2 hours earlier. 22:09 < noriko> ouch 22:09 < glezos> So, can someone from India please get a discussion going for doing it 2 hours earlier? 22:09 < mishti> ! 22:09 < glezos> (a discussion on the mailing list) 22:09 < couf> > mishti 22:10 < mishti> glezos: i did not see any objections from India..and this time is kind of ok..else its worse for APAC people 22:10 < mishti> eof 22:10 < mishti> s/objections besides mine i mean 22:10 < mishti> eof 22:10 < glezos> mishti: well, we can try, why not. Besides, it's late even for eastern europe. 22:11 < glezos> Igor is not here (brazil) 22:11 < glezos> but he'll raise any objections on the list 22:11 < glezos> So, let's suggest same time, 2 hours earlier then. 22:11 < glezos> Hopefully we'll have less stuff to discuss. :) 22:11 < glezos> eof 22:11 < couf> noriko, is that a problem for you? 22:12 < noriko> couf: well... :( 22:12 < noriko> it will be 03:00am here 22:12 < noriko> honestly bit hard 22:12 < glezos> noriko: where is there? :) 22:13 < noriko> brisbane time (besides i am on Gold Coast) 22:13 < noriko> Australia 22:13 * couf loves global community 22:14 < glezos> ouch 22:14 < glezos> noriko: OK, let's discuss this on the list, and we'll see 22:14 < mishti> couf: glezos: honestly 12:30 is not too bad in India...just need to finish in abt an hour or leave early 22:14 < mishti> but yea discussion on ML is better 22:14 < glezos> we can make a table on the wiki page and write on it the hours we can't make it. 22:14 < noriko> yea... discuss on ML better 22:15 < glezos> Like this one: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen/MeetingTimes 22:15 < couf> right + maybe do a double-hour thing 22:15 < glezos> couf: right. even for just 2-3 weeks 22:15 < couf> okay, this should go to ML 22:16 < couf> anything else you want to discuss? 22:16 -!- alexxed [n=alex(a)dyn-89.136.44.20.tm.upcnet.ro] has left #fedora-meeting [] 22:17 * mishti has none right now...besides thanking everyone for setting up the meeting 22:17 < noriko> thank you so much all your hard working to make this meeting happened~~ 22:17 * couf starts shutdown count 22:17 < couf> 30 22:17 < noriko> pls start with 5 22:17 < glezos> so, see you on the mailing list and in 1 week. :-) 22:18 < couf> 15 22:18 < couf> 5 22:18 < couf> :) 22:18 < couf> 4 22:18 < couf> 3 22:18 < couf> 2 22:18 < couf> 1 22:18 < couf> </meeting> -- Bart <couf(a)fedoraproject.org> <couf(a)skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93

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by Bart Couvreur 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Attendees: ----------- Thomas Canniot (fr) Bart Couvreur (nl) Dimitris Glezos (el, greek) Stavros Giannouris (el) DomingoBecker (es) Noriko Mizumoto (ja) Ani Peter (ml) Runa Bhattacharjee (bn_IN Bengali (INDIA)) Ville-Pekka Vainio (fi, Finnish) Summary: --------- * From now on we'll be having more regular meetings, frequency to be decided on list (refer to mail from Thomas). For the first two-three weeks we'll stay with a weekly meeting to be able to follow the project's status * Language maintainers: we're introducing language maintainers, as a spokesman for a certain language. This will make it easier for project members to identify to whom they can go for problems, questions. Language maintainers also become the owners of the bugs in Bugzilla concerning a language. To that end a new Component has been created (Fedora Localization). To become a language maintainer, please add yourself to the owners.list in CVS (for more information, contact Dimitris or Bart) * We're going to research the possibility of creating per-language mailing lists, without the minimum 5-persons rule * New translation website is available (not yet as reference): translate.fedoraproject.org. Questions, comments and all are very welcome on the list. Thanks to Dimitris for this tremendous effort * Meeting hour is still up for debate, maybe we should go for a dual meeting hour (week A 19:00 UTC, week B ..:00 UTC). Discussion on list Moved points: ------------- * I18N bugs * Tools * New members Next meeting: ------------- Tuesday 26 June, hour TBA If you want to add some point to the meeting, please go to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Meetings Thanks to all for being there! -- Bart <couf(a)fedoraproject.org> <couf(a)skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93

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