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updates in .pot files of system-config-language package
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Dear All, Due to some problems of system-config-language package i have regenerated .pot file, so i request all the localization team member please update the corresponding .po files. Let me know if anything to do from my side. Thanks & Regards, ------------------ Pravin Satpute

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Re: Installation Guide .pot strings out of order
by Ruediger Landmann 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

On 09/17/2009 01:34 AM, John J. McDonough wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomek Chrzczonowicz" > <chrzczonowicz(a)gmail.com> > To: <fedora-docs-list(a)redhat.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:56 AM > Subject: Installation Guide .pot strings out of order >> the order of strings in .pot files (translation templates) >> doesn't match the one in the source text > The current version of Transifex requires us to jump through all sorts > of hoops to create the pot files. It is unlikely that we can maintain > the order, even if it were a permanent fix. The problem should be > corrected with the updated tfx. We had hoped to see the updated > version in time for F12 but I guess that isn't going to happen. Hi Tomek, What John says is correct, but I'll try to explain with slightly more detail. (I'll explain from first principles, so please be patient if you already know some of this!) All of our longer texts are made up of multiple XML files. This makes them easier to write and to maintain, especially when more than one person works together on a text. In the case of the Installation Guide, this amounts to around 700 separate files.[1] Our publication tool, Publican,[2] then transforms each of these XML files into a POT file, and then into PO files for each language. The order of the strings in the POT files and PO files matches the order of the strings in the original English XML files. You can see Publican's set of POT files for the Installation Guide here [3] and Publican's set of Polish PO files here [4]. Normally, these files are what translators of Publican documents should be working with. However, the version of Transifex in Fedora (version 0.5) does not support more than *one* POT file for the document, and *one* PO file per language. To work around this limitation, we have used msgcat[5] to merge all the POT files into one giant POT file (nearly 4,000 strings!) and merge all the PO files for each language into one giant PO file for each language. Msgcat groups the strings from the individual POT/PO files primarily in *alphabetical order of the name of the original POT/PO file* (which of course, is the same as the name of the XML file from which each POT/PO file was generated originally). This is why you are seeing strings in an order different from how they appear in the published book. However, /within/ each of those groups, the strings do actually occur in the same order as they do in the source text. To finish the story, once translators have finished their work, we must then split up the giant PO files into the individual, small PO files again so that we can publish the translated book. Unfortunately, the whole process is not 100% reliable, and occasionally, a few translated strings get lost in the process of merging all the PO files together and splitting them apart again. Sometime after the release of Fedora 12, the Fedora Project is due to upgrade to Transifex 0.7. This supports multiple POT files and multiple PO files per language, meaning that translators will have access to the PO files generated by Publican itself. Note that this doesn't completely solve your problem if you want to work on a book in exactly the same order as the text will appear in the finished book, because if you want to work that way, you will need to identify which of the 700 PO files contains the text that you want to work on. The easiest solution would be to grep through the directory until you find the file that you want (this is also how we writers find sections that we need to correct or update). Of course, you can also use Gtranslator or Lokalize to search for the string in the huge PO files that we have now. Hope this helps, and as always, thank you! for the hard work and dedication that you put into translating our docs. Cheers Ruediger [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git?p=docs/install-guide… [2] https://fedorahosted.org/publican/ [3] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git?p=docs/install-guide… [4] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git?p=docs/install-guide… [5] http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/msgcat-Invocation.html

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Self-Introduction: Filip Slunecko
by Filip Slunecko 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Hi, My name is Filip Slunecko, and I'm from Brno, Czech Republic.. My FAS name is slune and I'd like to help with translation into Czech. I work as IT professional. I've been using Fedora for a 4 years now, and I'd like to give something back to community. I've never worked for Fedora project. I have programming experience in Python. GPG fingerprint: pub 1024D/04672CB8 2009-09-01 Key fingerprint = 62BB D686 5C03 133B 79D0 BB29 7016 FB25 0467 2CB8 uid Filip Slunecko <filip.slunecko(a)gmail.com> sub 2048g/5181900C 2009-09-01 Best regards

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[Fwd: Re: Why can't submit translations for F12 Release Notes?]
by Paul W. Frields 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

This thread from the fedora-trans-list is of interest to Docs people working on the release notes. As a reminder, any people in Docs responsible for major works like the Release Notes, Installation Guide or QSG, etc., should be subscribed to the fedora-trans-list as well, since frequently questions are raised there about process or specific strings. Docs people responsible for that content should be communicating schedule details, expectations, and so forth, regularly to the Translation teams through the fedora-trans-list. That will help all the teams stay connected and working together with less confusion and friction. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00083.h… https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00086.h… https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2009-September/msg00092.h… Paul ----- Forwarded message from Tomek Chrzczonowicz ----- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:27:54 +0200 From: Tomek Chrzczonowicz To: Fedora Translation Project List Subject: Re: Why can't submit translations for F12 Release Notes? Does anyone know what's going on with those F12 Release Notes? The translation deadline is tomorrow...? ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: Czech translation of fp.o WAS: updates in .pot files of system-config-language package
by Piotr Drąg 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

W dniu 16.09.2009 10:55, Ludek Dolihal pisze: > I have just send po file for the fedoraproject.org. I have translated to the czech lenguage the website of Fedora 11. Should I do anything else to see the czech localization of the fedora 11 wevbsite? > Thank in advance Ludek Dolihal > Maintainers of fedoraproject.org need to enable Czech translation in some config files. This time they need also to rename cz.po file to cs.po, because 'cs' is valid code for Czech language. -- Piotr Drąg http://raven.pmail.pl

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Why can't submit translations for F12 Release Notes?
by Tomek Chrzczonowicz 16 Sep '09

16 Sep '09

Why can't one submit translations for F12 Release Notes? Are these yet not to be translated?

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Re: transifex committing wrong translations to elfutils
by Noriko Mizumoto 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Roland McGrath さんは書きました: >> msgid: '%' is only meaningful with the 'x' option >> > > That was indeed a typo in our format string (meant to be %c). > Thanks for catching that! I've fixed it in the latest git tree > on our fedorahosted repo. > Thanks! I see now fixed PO. > It would be nice if the canonical po/Makefile's "make check" > would do something that would catch those msgfmt errors in the > package build before it gets to the translators. > I am not sure, but l10n infra team (Dimitris, Asgeir, etc) may be able to have some idea on this? noriko

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system-config-kdump translation in new branch
by Ankit Patel 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hi all, There is a new branch called 'new' created for system-config-kdump for Fedora 12. However, there are no changes with respect to translation. So, I have updated the transifex component to accept the translations to 'new' branch. I can only notice "Danish" translation being pushed in the 'master' branch recently. So, if "Danish" team would like to take a moment to merge the translations from 'master' branch to 'new' branch would be great. Would like to request other language teams to verify whether their translation files are showing correct status. Let me know, if you want me to merge it for you. Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ http://www.ankit644.com/

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Fedora Translation Schedule - Action Items (Trans, Devel, Rel-eng).
by Ankit Patel 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hi all, As you might have already noticed an email from John Poelstra regarding Fedora 12 Translation Schedule, there are couple of changes introduced for the first time in the schedule to help FLP translators. Earlier schedule tasks (related to translations) used to be: - Software string freeze (For Developers, changes to the translatable messages file will require FLP's approval) - Software Translation Period (For Translators, to complete the translation of Fedora packages) - Software rebuild packages (For Packagers, to rebuild packages with latest submitted translations). Now, it is changed to, - Software string freeze (For Developers, changes to the translatable messages file will require FLP's approval) - Software Translation Period (For Translators, to translate Fedora packages) - Software rebuild packages (For Packagers, to rebuild packages with latest submitted translations - For Translators' review). - Software Translation Review Period (For Translators, to review translation of Fedora packages) - Software rebuild packages (For Packagers, to rebuild packages with latest submitted translations - Final rebuild). Schedule in detail: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-trans-tasks.html These changes were basically introduced to overcome issues like, - translators are not able to review their translations - translators are most of the time clueless on whether their translations will be included in the latest package or not. More details: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/243 Since these changes are introduced for the first time in Fedora schedule, it needs to be communicated to all affected groups. I had a discussion with noriko and mishti today morning and we listed down major actions as mentioned below. Let's know if you find any modification to it or you would like to help with any of it. *List of action items:* 1. Request John Poelstra to update the schedule with correct entry - "Build packages for which Fedora is upstream for all language translators' review & correction" 2. Request John Poelstra to communicate to devel-list about this newly added entry 3. File Tracker Bug and bugs against respective packages (will start from 10th Sept) -> Make sure you mark the bugs as "High Priority" bugs -> Make sure you explain the reason to the package maintainer properly that the rebuilt package should reach to end users and should be released under Fedora. 4. Request developers individually to help with the bugs, since they might not be aware of this new change 5. Once Package Maintainers rebuild the packages by due date (14th Sept), request Release Engineering to release those rebuilt packages. 6. Get in touch with any of the release engineers to ensure they help us with this. 7. Closely monitor whether the packages are actually rebuilt & released or not. 8. Inform FLP (translation) team again after the package rebuilds. 9. FLP members will do 'yum update' on their rawhide machines to review their translation and submit updated translation through transifex by 22nd September. Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ http://www.ankit644.com/

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Fedora 12 Translation Schedule Reminder
by John Poelstra 14 Sep '09

14 Sep '09

Name Start End Translate Beta Release Notes Tue 2009-09-08 Thu 2009-09-17 Build F-12 collection packages for all language translators Thu 2009-09-10 Mon 2009-09-14 Review and correct software translation in built UI Tue 2009-09-15 Tue 2009-09-22 Software: Start Rebuild all translated packages Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-22 Software: Translation Deadline (PO Files complete) Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-22 Software: Rebuild all translated packages Tue 2009-09-22 Tue 2009-09-29 Review and correct Beta Release Notes (daily buids html) Wed 2009-09-23 Mon 2009-10-05 Final (Beta) Freeze: Development Code Complete Tue 2009-09-29 Tue 2009-09-29

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